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Post Re: Scarlet v Ulster Sat 24/2/18
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The Scarlets reserves played remarkably well against an international-packed Ulster in the end. 34-10! What is noticeable is how they have been improving with each game following the Treviso fiasco.


Well done Scarlets but your building up a pretty poor Ulster side who are in free fall since they got knocked out of Europe.


Losing to a severely under-strength Scarlets side in this manner is but the latest disgraceful and inexplicable result on the part of Ulster. This Ulster team had the likes of Bowe, Trimble, McCloskey -
all experienced Test players. I really don't get it - their backline is up there with the best in Europe, they have a generous budget which they have used on good players over the years like Piutau and Pienaar, yet when you think how much both Leinster and Munster have dominated the Pro 12 and Europe for over a decade, Ulster look really mediocre by comparison.


Agree with a great deal of that, apart from the bit about McCloskey being an experienced test player: he only has 3 senior caps and two for Emerging Ireland. Contrast that with Bowe and Trimble; veritable international veterans, with the level of experience that brings.

Doubt we'll see either of them in international green, again.

Sean


What would your explanation be as to why Ulster generally underachieve compared to the other two big Irish provinces?


That's a good question and I'm not sure i have an answer sufficient.

The quality players are certainly there, but it all has the feel of Ireland 2013, immediately prior to the appointment of Schmidt.

Keeping Lealiifano would have helped; sadly not to be.

Biggest thing for me though: the loss of Piennaar; kept them moving and simply terrified defences whenever he had the ball. Cooney and co are not the same argument. Honest tradesmen, but nothing more.

Not sure what's happened to Piutau either and I'd play him at centre, at least short term. Ulster need results.

Sean


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Post Re: Scarlet v Ulster Sat 24/2/18
Abertawe Leinster wrote:
najbritcol wrote:
Abertawe Leinster wrote:
najbritcol wrote:
Fingal wrote:
najbritcol wrote:
The Scarlets reserves played remarkably well against an international-packed Ulster in the end. 34-10! What is noticeable is how they have been improving with each game following the Treviso fiasco.


Well done Scarlets but your building up a pretty poor Ulster side who are in free fall since they got knocked out of Europe.


Losing to a severely under-strength Scarlets side in this manner is but the latest disgraceful and inexplicable result on the part of Ulster. This Ulster team had the likes of Bowe, Trimble, McCloskey -
all experienced Test players. I really don't get it - their backline is up there with the best in Europe, they have a generous budget which they have used on good players over the years like Piutau and Pienaar, yet when you think how much both Leinster and Munster have dominated the Pro 12 and Europe for over a decade, Ulster look really mediocre by comparison.


Agree with a great deal of that, apart from the bit about McCloskey being an experienced test player: he only has 3 senior caps and two for Emerging Ireland. Contrast that with Bowe and Trimble; veritable international veterans, with the level of experience that brings.

Doubt we'll see either of them in international green, again.

Sean


What would your explanation be as to why Ulster generally underachieve compared to the other two big Irish provinces?


That's a good question and I'm not sure i have an answer sufficient.

The quality players are certainly there, but it all has the feel of Ireland 2013, immediately prior to the appointment of Schmidt.

Keeping Lealiifano would have helped; sadly not to be.

Biggest thing for me though: the loss of Piennaar; kept them moving and simply terrified defences whenever he had the ball. Cooney and co are not the same argument. Honest tradesmen, but nothing more.

Not sure what's happened to Piutau either and I'd play him at centre, at least short term. Ulster need results.

Sean


Piutau dislocated a rib cartilage so he may have played his last for Ulster.


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Post Re: Scarlet v Ulster Sat 24/2/18
Fingal wrote:
Abertawe Leinster wrote:
najbritcol wrote:
Abertawe Leinster wrote:
najbritcol wrote:
Fingal wrote:
najbritcol wrote:
The Scarlets reserves played remarkably well against an international-packed Ulster in the end. 34-10! What is noticeable is how they have been improving with each game following the Treviso fiasco.


Well done Scarlets but your building up a pretty poor Ulster side who are in free fall since they got knocked out of Europe.


Losing to a severely under-strength Scarlets side in this manner is but the latest disgraceful and inexplicable result on the part of Ulster. This Ulster team had the likes of Bowe, Trimble, McCloskey -
all experienced Test players. I really don't get it - their backline is up there with the best in Europe, they have a generous budget which they have used on good players over the years like Piutau and Pienaar, yet when you think how much both Leinster and Munster have dominated the Pro 12 and Europe for over a decade, Ulster look really mediocre by comparison.


Agree with a great deal of that, apart from the bit about McCloskey being an experienced test player: he only has 3 senior caps and two for Emerging Ireland. Contrast that with Bowe and Trimble; veritable international veterans, with the level of experience that brings.

Doubt we'll see either of them in international green, again.

Sean


What would your explanation be as to why Ulster generally underachieve compared to the other two big Irish provinces?


That's a good question and I'm not sure i have an answer sufficient.

The quality players are certainly there, but it all has the feel of Ireland 2013, immediately prior to the appointment of Schmidt.

Keeping Lealiifano would have helped; sadly not to be.

Biggest thing for me though: the loss of Piennaar; kept them moving and simply terrified defences whenever he had the ball. Cooney and co are not the same argument. Honest tradesmen, but nothing more.

Not sure what's happened to Piutau either and I'd play him at centre, at least short term. Ulster need results.

Sean


Piutau dislocated a rib cartilage so he may have played his last for Ulster.


If he has, that's a shame and Bristol are getting a massive player (in every sense) for next season.

Thanks for the update.

Sean


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Post Re: Scarlet v Ulster Sat 24/2/18
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now 27-10 :thumbup:


and presumably no problems with the schedule?


Typical moronic comment :thumbdown:

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Post Re: Scarlet v Ulster Sat 24/2/18
Great win against a strong Ulster team. Well done bois bach.


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Post Re: Scarlet v Ulster Sat 24/2/18
Well nobody expected that result. There was quite a feeling of foreboding around the ground before the game, a feeling which got even more pronounced after Ulster's first try. The Scarlets back three in particular were thought to be a weak link. As it turned out, they were not a weak link at all and we might have unearthed another gem in Conbear.

Given how depleted the squad is at the moment, I would put that result down as the Scarlets best result this season.

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Post Re: Scarlet v Ulster Sat 24/2/18
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Well nobody expected that result. There was quite a feeling of foreboding around the ground before the game, a feeling which got even more pronounced after Ulster's first try. The Scarlets back three in particular were thought to be a weak link. As it turned out, they were not a weak link at all and we might have unearthed another gem in Conbear.

Given how depleted the squad is at the moment, I would put that result down as the Scarlets best result this season.



good post Rob.


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Post Re: Scarlet v Ulster Sat 24/2/18
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ICEverything wrote:
Well nobody expected that result. There was quite a feeling of foreboding around the ground before the game, a feeling which got even more pronounced after Ulster's first try. The Scarlets back three in particular were thought to be a weak link. As it turned out, they were not a weak link at all and we might have unearthed another gem in Conbear.

Given how depleted the squad is at the moment, I would put that result down as the Scarlets best result this season.



good post Rob.

Cheers Leight. :thumbup:

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Post Re: Scarlet v Ulster Sat 24/2/18
That win should guarantee a play off place, the big one is next week against Leinster

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Post Re: Scarlet v Ulster Sat 24/2/18
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That win should guarantee a play off place, the big one is next week against Leinster


And as it stands, I would tip you to win it.

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Post Re: Scarlet v Ulster Sat 24/2/18
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Langland Exile wrote:
That win should guarantee a play off place, the big one is next week against Leinster


And as it stands, I would tip you to win it.

Sean


Shame these games are played in the 6 Nations window

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Post Re: Scarlet v Ulster Sat 24/2/18
Abertawe Leinster wrote:
najbritcol wrote:
Abertawe Leinster wrote:
najbritcol wrote:
Fingal wrote:
najbritcol wrote:
The Scarlets reserves played remarkably well against an international-packed Ulster in the end. 34-10! What is noticeable is how they have been improving with each game following the Treviso fiasco.


Well done Scarlets but your building up a pretty poor Ulster side who are in free fall since they got knocked out of Europe.


Losing to a severely under-strength Scarlets side in this manner is but the latest disgraceful and inexplicable result on the part of Ulster. This Ulster team had the likes of Bowe, Trimble, McCloskey -
all experienced Test players. I really don't get it - their backline is up there with the best in Europe, they have a generous budget which they have used on good players over the years like Piutau and Pienaar, yet when you think how much both Leinster and Munster have dominated the Pro 12 and Europe for over a decade, Ulster look really mediocre by comparison.


Agree with a great deal of that, apart from the bit about McCloskey being an experienced test player: he only has 3 senior caps and two for Emerging Ireland. Contrast that with Bowe and Trimble; veritable international veterans, with the level of experience that brings.

Doubt we'll see either of them in international green, again.

Sean


What would your explanation be as to why Ulster generally underachieve compared to the other two big Irish provinces?


That's a good question and I'm not sure i have an answer sufficient.

The quality players are certainly there, but it all has the feel of Ireland 2013, immediately prior to the appointment of Schmidt.

Keeping Lealiifano would have helped; sadly not to be.

Biggest thing for me though: the loss of Piennaar; kept them moving and simply terrified defences whenever he had the ball. Cooney and co are not the same argument. Honest tradesmen, but nothing more.

Not sure what's happened to Piutau either and I'd play him at centre, at least short term. Ulster need results.

Sean

Pienaar was an accomplished Fly half and Scrumhalf. He could fill either position in any international team. He was the ultimate 'cool hand luke' and always seemed to have plenty of time to do what was best for his team. A little bit like Henson, in a way.


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Post Re: Scarlet v Ulster Sat 24/2/18
I had a total hip replacement on Friday so I missed the match. Only got home last night so I'll try and watch the game later today.
I've got to admit that I was very surprised to see that we beat Ulster with a five-pointer despite missing so many Wales players and other through injury.
I hope we can repeat the dose against Leinster with the same team.
If we can we seriously have to look to Pivac and Stephen Jones for Wales coaching roles after Gats.


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Post Re: Scarlet v Ulster Sat 24/2/18
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I had a total hip replacement on Friday so I missed the match. Only got home last night so I'll try and watch the game later today.
I've got to admit that I was very surprised to see that we beat Ulster with a five-pointer despite missing so many Wales players and other through injury.
I hope we can repeat the dose against Leinster with the same team.
If we can we seriously have to look to Pivac and Stephen Jones for Wales coaching roles after Gats.
And then what do the Scal's do for a coaching team?

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Post Re: Scarlet v Ulster Sat 24/2/18
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BigRed wrote:
I had a total hip replacement on Friday so I missed the match. Only got home last night so I'll try and watch the game later today.
I've got to admit that I was very surprised to see that we beat Ulster with a five-pointer despite missing so many Wales players and other through injury.
I hope we can repeat the dose against Leinster with the same team.
If we can we seriously have to look to Pivac and Stephen Jones for Wales coaching roles after Gats.
And then what do the Scal's do for a coaching team?


Rassie Erasmus? (Once SA inevitably sack him after yet more dreadful results).


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