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I have never been as much of a fan of Warburton as some as I feel his game is very limited. That Ihas been thrown into sharper focus by changes in the modern game. A backrow forward now needs more and more to be good in open play with the ball in hand. This has rarely been the case with Warburton. The current Welsh backrowers have that quality in spades and just show what we have been missing. His breaks have been limited and even when they occur look rather pedestrian and his link lay with threequarters almost non existent. The Scarlets have shown the way forward in the style of game Wales should be playing and I am afraid Warburton would not fit into that style.


Sat Jun 09, 2018 8:31 am
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Yes he doesn’t have a complete skill set but he is one of very few welsh players who can do something (ie some element of his game) to an elite standard

He caused NZ some problems in the contact area - not just over ball - when he returned in the second lions test


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Yes he doesn’t have a complete skill set but he is one of very few welsh players who can do something (ie some element of his game) to an elite standard

He caused NZ some problems in the contact area - not just over ball - when he returned in the second lions test


Yes, if he returns to Wales, I feel it will be at 6 not 7

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I expect him at 6 where is physicality and experience will be vital, i do like Shingler but in a big World Cup clash I'd prefer Warbs at 6. Whether or not he deserves to start at 6 ahead of Moriarity is a whole different question though
What is clear to me is that he should be behind Tips/Ellis/Cubby for the number 7 shirt.
Navidi is another one to fit into the equation, assuming there are no backrow injury crisis this year a couple of these names are going to be very disappointed next year


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Haruki wrote:
I expect him at 6 where is physicality and experience will be vital, i do like Shingler but in a big World Cup clash I'd prefer Warbs at 6. Whether or not he deserves to start at 6 ahead of Moriarity is a whole different question though
What is clear to me is that he should be behind Tips/Ellis/Cubby for the number 7 shirt.
Navidi is another one to fit into the equation, ass
uming there are no backrow injury crisis this year a couple of these names are going to be very disappointed next year



I have to totally disagree with you on your backrow selection tip and cubby above Warburton, Ellis Jenkins will be i'm sure in the future, but not quite yet, Warburton at the moment is a class above them all, He could be moved to 6 with Jenkins at 7 for sure, some have said that Warbs is not the complete 7 I disagree again the 7s of today are not the same as they once were,
The 7s of today are breakdown and collision specialists not the link men of the past.

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A fully fit Warburton is imho world-class and must start for us
and I would not think of changing him to 6.We have few world
class players (A-W J,TF,JD2) so even to think of playing them out
of position is not the answer.


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We have significantly better options at 7 than 6 so playing Warburton at 6 allows us to get a better 15 onto the park. We can go for the double jackel option to try to dominate the breakdowns and play on the front foot. the only other option is to go for the ball carrying option of Moriarity at 6.

Those championing Warbs at 7, are you considering that he is good at the breakdown which suited Wales style of play of old but in a new way of playing we need a more effective link man at 7


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Dai Yorkshire wrote:
Haruki wrote:
I expect him at 6 where is physicality and experience will be vital, i do like Shingler but in a big World Cup clash I'd prefer Warbs at 6. Whether or not he deserves to start at 6 ahead of Moriarity is a whole different question though
What is clear to me is that he should be behind Tips/Ellis/Cubby for the number 7 shirt.
Navidi is another one to fit into the equation, ass
uming there are no backrow injury crisis this year a couple of these names are going to be very disappointed next year



I have to totally disagree with you on your backrow selection tip and cubby above Warburton, Ellis Jenkins will be i'm sure in the future, but not quite yet, Warburton at the moment is a class above them all, He could be moved to 6 with Jenkins at 7 for sure, some have said that Warbs is not the complete 7 I disagree again the 7s of today are not the same as they once were,
The 7s of today are breakdown and collision specialists not the link men of the past.


Agree with that Dai, though my first choice (if all fit & on form) would be Warbs at 7 and Shingler at 6, who I thought was excellent in the 6N.

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Old Second Row wrote:
Dai Yorkshire wrote:
Haruki wrote:
I expect him at 6 where is physicality and experience will be vital, i do like Shingler but in a big World Cup clash I'd prefer Warbs at 6. Whether or not he deserves to start at 6 ahead of Moriarity is a whole different question though
What is clear to me is that he should be behind Tips/Ellis/Cubby for the number 7 shirt.
Navidi is another one to fit into the equation, ass
uming there are no backrow injury crisis this year a couple of these names are going to be very disappointed next year



I have to totally disagree with you on your backrow selection tip and cubby above Warburton, Ellis Jenkins will be i'm sure in the future, but not quite yet, Warburton at the moment is a class above them all, He could be moved to 6 with Jenkins at 7 for sure, some have said that Warbs is not the complete 7 I disagree again the 7s of today are not the same as they once were,
The 7s of today are breakdown and collision specialists not the link men of the past.


Agree with that Dai, though my first choice (if all fit & on form) would be Warbs at 7 and Shingler at 6, who I thought was excellent in the 6N.


Sympathy with both Dai and 2ndrow comments and, especially, the general aspect of capability to argue about choice is a pleasure !!

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Post Re: Warburton and the modern game
Haruki wrote:
We have significantly better options at 7 than 6 so playing Warburton at 6 allows us to get a better 15 onto the park. We can go for the double jackel option to try to dominate the breakdowns and play on the front foot. the only other option is to go for the ball carrying option of Moriarity at 6.

Those championing Warbs at 7, are you considering that he is good at the breakdown which suited Wales style of play of old but in a new way of playing we need a more effective link man at 7



Hmmm, the style has changed in so much as we now move the ball and let it do the work, not contact then look for the floor.

Our forwards still play a physical game but, now they look for opportunity resulting in some very good tries. So I disagree with you again :) Forwards still make the hard yards, but now we look for space and the pass and the unity of the fifteen is getting stronger. :)

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Haruki wrote:
We have significantly better options at 7 than 6 so playing Warburton at 6 allows us to get a better 15 onto the park. We can go for the double jackel option to try to dominate the breakdowns and play on the front foot. the only other option is to go for the ball carrying option of Moriarity at 6.

Those championing Warbs at 7, are you considering that he is good at the breakdown which suited Wales style of play of old but in a new way of playing we need a more effective link man at 7




I'd pretty much agree, i think Warbs at 6, James Davies at 7 and TF at 8.

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awaywardlad wrote:
A fully fit Warburton is imho world-class and must start for us
and I would not think of changing him to 6.We have few world
class players (A-W J,TF,JD2) so even to think of playing them out
of position is not the answer.


Good call.

Warburton is class, committed and physical. He can play 6 or 7 effectively.

I think selection should be partly influenced by the opposition. Against a big, physical pack that likes to pick and drive, I think Lydiate and Warburton are the men for the job.

Against a team that play a wider game, I think at least one of Tipuric/Davies/Jenkins are needed.


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