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Forwards: Rob Evans (Scarlets) (25 Caps) Wyn Jones (Scarlets) (8 Caps) Nicky Smith (Ospreys) (18 Caps) Elliot Dee (Dragons) (7 Caps) Ryan Elias (Scarlets) (2 Caps) Tomas Francis (Exeter Chiefs) (31 Caps) Samson Lee (Scarlets) (38 Caps) Dillon Lewis (Cardiff Blues) (2 Caps) Adam Beard (Ospreys) (2 Caps) Bradley Davies (Ospreys) (62 Caps) Seb Davies (Cardiff Blues) (4 Caps) Luke Charteris (Bath) (74 Caps) Cory Hill (Dragons) (15 Caps) (Co-Captain) James Davies (Scarlets) (1 Cap) Ellis Jenkins (Cardiff Blues) (6 Caps) (Co-Captain) Ross Moriarty (Gloucester) (20 Caps) Josh Navidi (Cardiff Blues) (11 Caps) Aaron Shingler (Scarlets) (17 Caps)`

Backs: Aled Davies (Scarlets) (8 Caps) Gareth Davies (Scarlets) (32 Caps) Tomos Williams (Cardiff Blues) (*Uncapped) Gareth Anscombe (Cardiff Blues) (15 Caps) Rhys Patchell (Scarlets) (8 Caps) Hadleigh Parkes (Scarlets) (55 Caps) Owen Watkin (Ospreys) (4 Caps) Scott Williams (Scarlets) (55 Caps) Josh Adams (Worcester Warriors) (2 Caps) Hallam Amos (Dragons) (15 Caps) Steff Evans (Scarlets) (9 Caps) George North (Northampton Saints) (73 Caps) Tom Prydie (Scarlets) (7 Caps)

Prydie and Charteris are both shocks. Can't see the point of bringing Charteris if the idea is to build depth and experience; I'd have taken one of the Scarlets' locks instead, or maybe Thornton if he isn't injured. Prydie I suppose deserves another chance as he's being playing well for the Scarlets. He always was a Gatland favourite. Owen Lane and Jarrod Evans both unlucky to be missing out.

It's marked how leaving the Dragons seems to have given so many players' careers a shot in the arm. Dan Evans, Sam Parry, Aled Brew, Phil Price, Prydie...


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Forwards: Rob Evans (Scarlets) (25 Caps) Wyn Jones (Scarlets) (8 Caps) Nicky Smith (Ospreys) (18 Caps) Elliot Dee (Dragons) (7 Caps) Ryan Elias (Scarlets) (2 Caps) Tomas Francis (Exeter Chiefs) (31 Caps) Samson Lee (Scarlets) (38 Caps) Dillon Lewis (Cardiff Blues) (2 Caps) Adam Beard (Ospreys) (2 Caps) Bradley Davies (Ospreys) (62 Caps) Seb Davies (Cardiff Blues) (4 Caps) Luke Charteris (Bath) (74 Caps) Cory Hill (Dragons) (15 Caps) (Co-Captain) James Davies (Scarlets) (1 Cap) Ellis Jenkins (Cardiff Blues) (6 Caps) (Co-Captain) Ross Moriarty (Gloucester) (20 Caps) Josh Navidi (Cardiff Blues) (11 Caps) Aaron Shingler (Scarlets) (17 Caps)`

Backs: Aled Davies (Scarlets) (8 Caps) Gareth Davies (Scarlets) (32 Caps) Tomos Williams (Cardiff Blues) (*Uncapped) Gareth Anscombe (Cardiff Blues) (15 Caps) Rhys Patchell (Scarlets) (8 Caps) Hadleigh Parkes (Scarlets) (55 Caps) Owen Watkin (Ospreys) (4 Caps) Scott Williams (Scarlets) (55 Caps) Josh Adams (Worcester Warriors) (2 Caps) Hallam Amos (Dragons) (15 Caps) Steff Evans (Scarlets) (9 Caps) George North (Northampton Saints) (73 Caps) Tom Prydie (Scarlets) (7 Caps)

Prydie and Charteris are both shocks. Can't see the point of bringing Charteris if the idea is to build depth and experience; I'd have taken one of the Scarlets' locks instead, or maybe Thornton if he isn't injured. Prydie I suppose deserves another chance as he's being playing well for the Scarlets. He always was a Gatland favourite. Owen Lane and Jarrod Evans both unlucky to be missing out.

It's marked how leaving the Dragons seems to have given so many players' careers a shot in the arm. Dan Evans, Sam Parry, Aled Brew, Phil Price, Prydie...


As we'll be up against big, powerful front 5's in all 3 games, and with AWJ's absence leaving a big hole, I think this makes sense - I'd be tempted to start the first and maybe even all 3 tests with Hill & Charteris in the 2nd row, Bradley or Seb Davies on the bench.

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To give a 'flavour' ... anybody know the average age of squad please? THks in advance

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I'm sure you can work it out if you really want to know.

The obvious absences (being given a "rest") are Ken Owens, Alun Wyn Jones, Tipuric, Faletau, Halfpenny and Liam Williams. Also long-term injured are Warburton and Jonathan Davies. That said, of those players only Owens, Jones and Halfpenny played more than a bit part in the Six Nations, so this isn't at all a 2nd XV or "Lions Tour" squad; it's also quite small (only 31 players) so it's very much the normal squad minus a few regulars rather than a youth or "development" selection, as evinced by there being only the one uncapped player.


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I'm sure you can work it out if you really want to know.



Don't bark ;)

Only polled if someone had the answer ...or a flavour

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Interesting squad and can see why some are reassured by the presence of charteris and brad Davies

Wales front five have been fairly average for a while now. They can scrummage quite well but fail to impose themselves in the game in general. Rob Evans and Cory Hill in particular find it hard to dominate collisions at international level while our tight heads are very pedestrian

I actually hope Dillon Lewis gets a go at TH as he has the credentials to be a quality player and hope Seb Davies gets a go too

Big task for both Hill and Jenkins as captains... despite hills rise from nowhere I suspect gatland and co have had an eye on both for a while as both have been age grade captains


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While on the surface this selection is pretty promising (although some players are unlucky to miss out, such as Owen Lane, Jarrod Evans and arguably Justin Tipuric and Thomas Young), lest we forget that even an under-strength England only scraped past Argentina last Summer. Therefore, we should not be overly disappointed if this Wales team lose all three Tests.


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Owen Williams being injured is very unlucky. This would have been the perfect opportunity to give him a real chance to stake a claim.


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Forwards:

Rob Evans (Scarlets) (25 Caps) Wyn Jones (Scarlets) (8 Caps) Nicky Smith (Ospreys) (18 Caps)
Elliot Dee (Dragons) (7 Caps) Ryan Elias (Scarlets) (2 Caps) Tomas Francis (Exeter Chiefs) (31 Caps)
Samson Lee (Scarlets) (38 Caps) Dillon Lewis (Cardiff Blues) (2 Caps) Adam Beard (Ospreys) (2 Caps)
Bradley Davies (Ospreys) (62 Caps) Seb Davies (Cardiff Blues) (4 Caps) Luke Charteris (Bath) (74 Caps)
Cory Hill (Dragons) (15 Caps) (Co-Captain) James Davies (Scarlets) (1 Cap) Ellis Jenkins (Cardiff Blues) (6 Caps)
(Co-Captain) Ross Moriarty (Gloucester) (20 Caps) Josh Navidi (Cardiff Blues) (11 Caps) Aaron Shingler (Scarlets) (17 Caps)`

Backs:

Aled Davies (Scarlets) (8 Caps) Gareth Davies (Scarlets) (32 Caps) Tomos Williams (Cardiff Blues) (*Uncapped)
Gareth Anscombe (Cardiff Blues) (15 Caps) Rhys Patchell (Scarlets) (8 Caps) Hadleigh Parkes (Scarlets) (55 Caps)
Owen Watkin (Ospreys) (4 Caps) Scott Williams (Scarlets) (55 Caps) Josh Adams (Worcester Warriors) (2 Caps)
Hallam Amos (Dragons) (15 Caps) Steff Evans (Scarlets) (9 Caps) George North (Northampton Saints) (73 Caps)
Tom Prydie (Scarlets) (7 Caps)

Its good to Giraffe back and Tom Prydie looked good in his latest game.

They'll not led the squad down.

The BBC :-

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The Springboks have lost their past two meetings with Wales, both in Cardiff, and a neutral venue in the US capital awaits for their tour opener.

"It will be a unique experience and something we have not done before," Gatland said.

"I will be looking forward to having a different crowd and different atmosphere and being in a city we have not experienced before".

"It will be great for this group of players and take them out of their comfort zone and we will experience that in Japan 2019."

Wales have won five out of the last six meetings against the Pumas, all at the Principality Stadium, but it is a different story on their home soil, with Argentina winning three of the last four Tests against Wales in 2004 and 2006.


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Post Re: Wales Summer Tour 2018
The Pro14 final is just seven days before the South Africa game which will leave the 22 man squad for that game a bit threadbare if the Scarlets get to the final.

Will they play the Scarlets players in that first game? If not, then only 1 LH, 1 hooker, 1 scrum half (uncapped), 1 outside half, 1 centre and no full backs will be available for selection. :dontknow:

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The Pro14 final is just seven days before the South Africa game which will leave the 22 man squad for that game a bit threadbare if the Scarlets get to the final.

Will they play the Scarlets players in that first game? If not, then only 1 LH, 1 hooker, 1 scrum half (uncapped), 1 outside half, 1 centre and no full backs will be available for selection. :dontknow:


Gatland will be rooting for Glasgow. :D

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I'm almost sure there's a World Cup coming up soon.

The coaching team for Wales should be congratulated for their ability to prepare a squad that will develop players.

Clubbies can't do that, naturally.


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ICEverything wrote:
The Pro14 final is just seven days before the South Africa game which will leave the 22 man squad for that game a bit threadbare if the Scarlets get to the final.

Will they play the Scarlets players in that first game? If not, then only 1 LH, 1 hooker, 1 scrum half (uncapped), 1 outside half, 1 centre and no full backs will be available for selection. :dontknow:


Gatland will be rooting for Glasgow. :D
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Forwards: Rob Evans (Scarlets) (25 Caps) Wyn Jones (Scarlets) (8 Caps) Nicky Smith (Ospreys) (18 Caps) Elliot Dee (Dragons) (7 Caps) Ryan Elias (Scarlets) (2 Caps) Tomas Francis (Exeter Chiefs) (31 Caps) Samson Lee (Scarlets) (38 Caps) Dillon Lewis (Cardiff Blues) (2 Caps) Adam Beard (Ospreys) (2 Caps) Bradley Davies (Ospreys) (62 Caps) Seb Davies (Cardiff Blues) (4 Caps) Luke Charteris (Bath) (74 Caps) Cory Hill (Dragons) (15 Caps) (Co-Captain) James Davies (Scarlets) (1 Cap) Ellis Jenkins (Cardiff Blues) (6 Caps) (Co-Captain) Ross Moriarty (Gloucester) (20 Caps) Josh Navidi (Cardiff Blues) (11 Caps) Aaron Shingler (Scarlets) (17 Caps)`

Backs: Aled Davies (Scarlets) (8 Caps) Gareth Davies (Scarlets) (32 Caps) Tomos Williams (Cardiff Blues) (*Uncapped) Gareth Anscombe (Cardiff Blues) (15 Caps) Rhys Patchell (Scarlets) (8 Caps) Hadleigh Parkes (Scarlets) (55 Caps) Owen Watkin (Ospreys) (4 Caps) Scott Williams (Scarlets) (55 Caps) Josh Adams (Worcester Warriors) (2 Caps) Hallam Amos (Dragons) (15 Caps) Steff Evans (Scarlets) (9 Caps) George North (Northampton Saints) (73 Caps) Tom Prydie (Scarlets) (7 Caps)

Prydie and Charteris are both shocks. Can't see the point of bringing Charteris if the idea is to build depth and experience; I'd have taken one of the Scarlets' locks instead, or maybe Thornton if he isn't injured. Prydie I suppose deserves another chance as he's being playing well for the Scarlets. He always was a Gatland favourite. Owen Lane and Jarrod Evans both unlucky to be missing out.

It's marked how leaving the Dragons seems to have given so many players' careers a shot in the arm. Dan Evans, Sam Parry, Aled Brew, Phil Price, Prydie...

Tom Prydie wasn't a shock for me. He was outstanding against the Cheetahs and was always looking for work. And, before he was injured was starting to look like the real deal.
The difference that I see between Lane and Prydie is the ability to read the game and when to go around looking for work. I think Lane will get there, I have no doubt about that.
I cannot understand the omission of Jarrod Evans, he is the form FH in Wales and we are travelling with only two FH's! Just doesn't make sense to me.


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Prydie for me is an excellent Club player, I doubt his International class other than journeyman level.

On that front Steff Evans is brilliant for the Scarlets and I use my words carefully but he's yet to hack it at international level and tries to play a similar game that don't come off at that level and evenb lead to compromise. Some defence aspects show up more at that level too.

He can make the big time but needs advice and guidance to do so?
(some have posted that similar happened with Shane Williams and there is truth in that.

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