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6N Wales v France (Sat 17.03.2018) 
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Post Re: 6N Wales v France (Sat 17.03.2018)
Blindside wrote:
With choice comes responsibility, if a player cannot make the right decisions for the right reasons then the more options you give him the more likely he is to make a mistake. The kind of skills necessary are often instinctual and is the reason there are no shortcuts to developing players able to do this. It takes years. If it is not ingrained from a young age, then when under pressure the player may revert to type, to bad habits.

In comparison defence is far more simplistic, you do not have the control, you respond, you have easier decisions and more basic responsibility, it is a numerical consideration to blitz or to drift etc.

As pointed out by the French coach who went to NZ, they are concerned with the ability of a player to make correct decisions and have the appropriate skills to carry those decisions out. We are more concerned with the physical potential and athleticism. Well both NH and SH are obviously concerned about both, but it is the emphasis placed on each that differs.

You can bring in the best coach in the world, however, if he does not have the players to make the correct decisions in the fractions of seconds available in international rugby, then they will be forced into playing a structure with fewer choices.

There is no secret formula for what NZ do, it is a progressive structure that produces players with excellent core skills, that make consistently good decisions in a pressurized environment.

You can be explained the concept of juggling but understanding it does not mean you can juggle, players may understand what the coach wants, but if they cant do it because the grounding is not there, then their understanding of it is irrelevant. No matter what they pay them, no matter what the business model is, if the structure of skill acquisition is not in place you won't produce enough players able to play the type of game NZ can play.

So it is a trade-off between play what you see and play what we planned. Gatland appears to be reverting to play what we planned :dontknow:


A super reasoned argument and explanation!

Agree in total and have taken the opportunity and stolen/highlights to accentuate my concurrence!

I would add that motivation and belief go hand in hand with the development over time

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Post Re: 6N Wales v France (Sat 17.03.2018)
What a player Faletau is.
He made a superb run down the left, outstripping the defenders. A try was on and then he threw inside a pass of indescribable ineptitude........
Why can't we pass?


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Post Re: 6N Wales v France (Sat 17.03.2018)
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What a player Faletau is.
He made a superb run down the left, outstripping the defenders. A try was on and then he threw inside a pass of indescribable ineptitude........
Why can't we pass?


Because we have been programmed to look for contact

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Post Re: 6N Wales v France (Sat 17.03.2018)
We passed pretty well against Scotland.


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Post Re: 6N Wales v France (Sat 17.03.2018)
We passed pretty well against Scotland.


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Post Re: 6N Wales v France (Sat 17.03.2018)
We are currently being programmed not to look for contact supposedly.


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Post Re: 6N Wales v France (Sat 17.03.2018)
Blindside wrote:
What you do in attack is within your control off decent ball, so you can put in place a structure that gives you a pattern of play which is quite rigid or quite flexible. Gatland favoured comparative rigidity in his patterns of play which are less dependent on what the opposition do, than the newer approaches to the game. He favoured playing from touchline to touchline, to be honest, i don't know how much that has evolved. He certainly compromised with the Lions. The newer systems put in place multiple options, they are still extremely structured, but it is the structure that gives you the choice. They prefer to attack the post to give you options on either side (choice) and the ball carrier to have options inside outside and from deep, everyone will be working to provide options and run lines in the zones they cover. There are forwards in wide channels to provide support and to carry. They play what they see

With choice comes responsibility, if a player cannot make the right decisions for the right reasons then the more options you give him the more likely he is to make a mistake. The kind of skills necessary are often instinctual and is the reason there are no shortcuts to developing players able to do this. It takes years. If it is not ingrained from a young age, then when under pressure the player may revert to type, to bad habits.

In comparison defence is far more simplistic, you do not have the control, you respond, you have easier decisions and more basic responsibility, it is a numerical consideration to blitz or to drift etc.

As pointed out by the French coach who went to NZ, they are concerned with the ability of a player to make correct decisions and have the appropriate skills to carry those decisions out. We are more concerned with the physical potential and athleticism. Well both NH and SH are obviously concerned about both, but it is the emphasis placed on each that differs.

You can bring in the best coach in the world, however, if he does not have the players to make the correct decisions in the fractions of seconds available in international rugby, then they will be forced into playing a structure with fewer choices.

There is no secret formula for what NZ do, it is a progressive structure that produces players with excellent core skills, that make consistently good decisions in a pressurized environment.

You can be explained the concept of juggling but understanding it does not mean you can juggle, players may understand what the coach wants, but if they cant do it because the grounding is not there, then their understanding of it is irrelevant. No matter what they pay them, no matter what the business model is, if the structure of skill acquisition is not in place you won't produce enough players able to play the type of game NZ can play.

So it is a trade-off between play what you see and play what we planned. Gatland appears to be reverting to play what we planned :dontknow:


Good post. You've made a couple of great ones recently. More of the same please.


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