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Boom bang bash, not the way of rugby going forward. (rugby is a great big game of bashing)
Not if we in the NH want to compete with the likes of New Zealand. (We are getting closer in my view)
Ireland just does the boom bang bash better than most but still not the way to beat the AB's. (We beat them recently and it was enough to win the championship, even if it doesn't ultimately take the slam)
Scotland and Wales have the right idea but it is still very much in the formation stage. (you might be right about that tactically speaking)
If they can avoid too many injuries I foresee a very different 6N next year. (That's speculation, but it's what we do on here)
Scarlets have proved that there is another way, hopefully, this rubs off onto the national team. (See above and it could take time to change a national ethos)
I think Gats selection for Italy tomorrow is fundamentally wrong. (we'll know tomorrow night)
He is trying to marry the two philosophies. As far as I am concerned it is one or the other.(see immediately above)


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EDid you object to a successful WElsh team when they were playing Warrenball
The big bash didn't help Munster and Leinster in last years semi and finals against Scarlets.
We need a team strong on the breakdown with the ability to run and move like three quarters. The likes of Basteraud in the three-quarter line sets the marker for the style of play a team wants to play.
France v Ireland no tries. England v Scotland, Wales and France only three or four tries.
Sure England and Ireland outmuscled Wales and came away with the decisions. This is where I think the Wales problems lie, we are in between styles. We started the boom bang bash with the Doc, North and Cuthbert but should now move on to a more adventurous style of play. One wonders if it weren't for the intercept pass against Ireland what the current situation would be in the 6N Table.


Well ifs and buts really isn't it?. If it weren't for one bad decision in 2007, we would have had a slam. If we'd kicked all our points against you, then that last minute bit of nonsense in Dublin would have mattered not. Wales were quite successful with the crash ball style and it will take time for the brave new world to make itself felt; maybe you won't do it until Pivac becomes the Welsh coach. I would appoint him ASAP, but feel that the WRU will probably hang on to Gatland for the foreseeable. When you've been successful, your reputation transports you further than it should sometimes; this is a mistake that Irish rugby made periodically until relatively recently.

Lost last year yes to Scarlets, but thus far edged the overall meetings this year, albeit between reserve teams. It's not impossible that we could end up contesting things again, but this time with international standard squads.

It is what it is this year. You could be right about next season.

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Sack Eddie, The campaign starts here


On this form, I suggest they keep him ;)

Strange ...players like Itoje have gone very 'flat'

I think that the 1st/2nd 5/8 is getting found out ...big strong defences are succeeding in nullyfying it ...Fird is proving a weak link and the beef aren't very skilfull at breakdown....


I believe it is a combination of too many games and playing a very hard collision first style which takes its toll. Big test for Eddie to regroup for the World Cup.
Maybe the lack of ECC representation is accurate.


To put it further into context this Fra selection lacked some excellent pkayers injured especially backs ...Raka, Fofana, Penaud, wDulin, Nakzitaci, Lamerat, Dupont and many exempted on the naughty step.

England are on some demise

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For wooden spoon, I meant England - it's the real wooden spoon - Italy don't count.

If we beat Italy and, hopefully, France and England lose to Ireland, then they'd win the 'real wooden spoon'.


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Great win for France

Just about to tuck into a great big plate of words followed by some humble pie

England... well the revolution is over. Viva la France


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Compete shit across the board. I don't understand how Jones can't see the issues that everyone else can. Probably the same *fupping* back row for Ireland and another embarrassing defeat.

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Compete shit across the board. I don't understand how Jones can't see the issues that everyone else can. Probably the same *fupping* back row for Ireland and another embarrassing defeat.


You're at home and England at Twickenham, is one of the worst places in world rigby to go, looking for any kind of win, still less a slam.

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Compete shit across the board. I don't understand how Jones can't see the issues that everyone else can. Probably the same *fupping* back row for Ireland and another embarrassing defeat.


You're at home and England at Twickenham, is one of the worst places in world rigby to go, looking for any kind of win, still less a slam.

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Watch the WC 2015 games, they lost 2 of 3... ;)

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England don't seem to be any better now than when Lancaster was coaching them.

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Congratulations to France, and glad to see them becoming more competitive again - don't forget they didn't win a single match last year after their debatable win over Wales. While England are still a very very formidable side and in many ways enjoy advantages no other side in world rugby does, they are still nowhere near All Blacks level. Furthermore, if Wales win their final two matches, it could well lead them to second place, which is not bad at all.


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There is no point having depth in many positions of the coach refuses to utilise that depth in favour of average favourites. England have high quality flankers, we just don't have coaches who will ever select them. We have 2 tight heads better than Cole yet keep doing him week in, week out.

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There is no point having depth in many positions of the coach refuses to utilise that depth in favour of average favourites. England have high quality flankers, we just don't have coaches who will ever select them. We have 2 tight heads better than Cole yet keep doing him week in, week out.


You looked a lot better when Haskell came on at 52 minutes. But he should have been on from the start. Hopefully the penny will have dropped now that a 2nd row is not a 6 or breakdown specialist and like you say Kyle Sinkler was different class when he came on. In fact the whole front row were. I know that you lost but I think you'll take more out of that game than any other that you've played under Eddie Jones. Farrell is a better 10 than Ford, you have the centres to cover the 12 and Tuillagi will one day be fit.

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Congratulations to France, and glad to see them becoming more competitive again - don't forget they didn't win a single match last year after their debatable win over Wales. While England are still a very very formidable side and in many ways enjoy advantages no other side in world rugby does, they are still nowhere near All Blacks level. Furthermore, if Wales win their final two matches, it could well lead them to second place, which is not bad at all.


but still way behind Ireland...the front 5 was smashed 2 weeks ago

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There is no point having depth in many positions of the coach refuses to utilise that depth in favour of average favourites. England have high quality flankers, we just don't have coaches who will ever select them. We have 2 tight heads better than Cole yet keep doing him week in, week out.


You looked a lot better when Haskell came on at 52 minutes. But he should have been on from the start. Hopefully the penny will have dropped now that a 2nd row is not a 6 or breakdown specialist and like you say Kyle Sinkler was different class when he came on. In fact the whole front row were. I know that you lost but I think you'll take more out of that game than any other that you've played under Eddie Jones. Farrell is a better 10 than Ford, you have the centres to cover the 12 and Tuillagi will one day be fit.


Yes and No

Not sure about that, Fra were tiring and didn't have the same quality bench. The replacements would should up better under those conditions.

but I do agree that Eng must have a better balanced back row.

Also, the Eng front five weren't impressive ... Itoje is but a shadow of the player that has been rightly so highly rated.
Fra were allover the place in lineouts but the forwards did well and the defence was excellent. They had the better go forward front 5.

Ford was exploited today and Teo gave second best to Bastereaud.

If and when the french backs come back it could progress to a better team than the recent shambles and I would still argue that the selection is array irrespective.

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Congratulations to France, and glad to see them becoming more competitive again - don't forget they didn't win a single match last year after their debatable win over Wales. While England are still a very very formidable side and in many ways enjoy advantages no other side in world rugby does, they are still nowhere near All Blacks level. Furthermore, if Wales win their final two matches, it could well lead them to second place, which is not bad at all.


but still way behind Ireland...the front 5 was smashed 2 weeks ago


Yes and no. The breakdown was a disaster, but the set-piece was not too bad. Moreover, despite the minimal possession, Wales were just one crappy intercepted pass away from potentially winning the game. Certainly from the start of the second-half onwards today, Scotland were nowhere near that close.


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England don't seem to be any better now than when Lancaster was coaching them.


Which is/was still substantially better than the 2004-11 period, when England actually LOST the majority of their 6N matches excluding those against Italy.


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