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I fully expected both Scotland and France to beat England and expect Ireland to defeat them too. They are going backwards.


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There is no point having depth in many positions of the coach refuses to utilise that depth in favour of average favourites. England have high quality flankers, we just don't have coaches who will ever select them. We have 2 tight heads better than Cole yet keep doing him week in, week out.


You looked a lot better when Haskell came on at 52 minutes. But he should have been on from the start. Hopefully the penny will have dropped now that a 2nd row is not a 6 or breakdown specialist and like you say Kyle Sinkler was different class when he came on. In fact the whole front row were. I know that you lost but I think you'll take more out of that game than any other that you've played under Eddie Jones. Farrell is a better 10 than Ford, you have the centres to cover the 12 and Tuillagi will one day be fit.


Yes and No

Not sure about that, Fra were tiring and didn't have the same quality bench. The replacements would should up better under those conditions.

but I do agree that Eng must have a better balanced back row.

Also, the Eng front five weren't impressive ... Itoje is but a shadow of the player that has been rightly so highly rated.
Fra were allover the place in lineouts but the forwards did well and the defence was excellent. They had the better go forward front 5.

Ford was exploited today and Teo gave second best to Bastereaud.

If and when the french backs come back it could progress to a better team than the recent shambles and I would still argue that the selection is array irrespective.


In an old fashioned way, half the fun is trying to guess who they will pick and when... ;)

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England are the most overrated team ive ever seen. England will lose next week. 2 wins out of 5 has proved England are not as good as they think.


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Gentlemen, you can expect that guy in the red head guard to start and England will be a different proposition in their next game.


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well that game cheered me up!


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England have not performed well since loosing Billy Vinopula to injury, can one player be that important ?


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youvbeensalmoed wrote:
England have not performed well since loosing Billy Vinopula to injury, can one player be that important ?


We can thank the Ospreys for that. :D

There is something quite revealing and interesting as to how such a hideously out-of-form Ospreys very nearly beat Saracens both home and away this season.


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najbritcol wrote:
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England have not performed well since loosing Billy Vinopula to injury, can one player be that important ?


We can thank the Ospreys for that. :D

There is something quite revealing and interesting as to how such a hideously out-of-form Ospreys very nearly beat Saracens both home and away this season.


Another logical leap Naj :D

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England haven't become bad overnight as the saying goes but, Eddie seems to have kept the same tactics and selections that he started with? What stands out for me, is why both Jones and Lancaster before him, think a specialist 7 isn't a requirement for them? Even when they were winning every game (18 was it on the trot?) that backrow was still not doing what was expected because Vunipola and his carrying, was covering it up for them? Robshaw is clearly a passionate player but there are at least 2 other 7's at least that are better?

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France were impressive on the day and things went their way, but they were better team easily

England need to adapt at the breakdown - they need to commit more players to the break down and
have the right sort of players at the breakdown. The management of the breakdown is Eddie Jones responsibility.
Our forwards were dominated and the tactics and selection were part of the problem. Even the lack lustre performances
were predictable and so selection issues.

The honey moon is over with Eddie Jones.


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Not the game to judge the backs - but Watson did not live up to my hopes!


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France were impressive on the day and things went their way, but they were better team easily

England need to adapt at the breakdown - they need to commit more players to the break down and
have the right sort of players at the breakdown. The management of the breakdown is Eddie Jones responsibility.
Our forwards were dominated and the tactics and selection were part of the problem. Even the lack lustre performances
were predictable and so selection issues.

The honey moon is over with Eddie Jones.


Just after he signed an extension too ;)

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Langland Exile wrote:
Brizzle wrote:
France were impressive on the day and things went their way, but they were better team easily

England need to adapt at the breakdown - they need to commit more players to the break down and
have the right sort of players at the breakdown. The management of the breakdown is Eddie Jones responsibility.
Our forwards were dominated and the tactics and selection were part of the problem. Even the lack lustre performances
were predictable and so selection issues.

The honey moon is over with Eddie Jones.


Just after he signed an extension too ;)


The extension has a performance based clause so if he doesn't deliver the goods, he gets no extension.

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Bit disappointed with Ian Robertson’s comment about it being “a humiliation” for England.

No they lost a Six National game away to France, who on a player by player basis are probably comparable to England and playing at home!

Surely there shouldn’t have been an expectation that they were going to win, hope yes.


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Bit disappointed with Ian Robertson’s comment about it being “a humiliation” for England.

No they lost a Six National game away to France, who on a player by player basis are probably comparable to England and playing at home!

Surely there shouldn’t have been an expectation that they were going to win, hope yes.


It's not just the fact we loss that makes it a humiliation, it's the fact we again got dominated at the breakdown and did absolutely nothing to fix it again that made it humiliating. A top international team should not be that bad at the breakdown nor concede this many penalties even for one game. To do it for multiple games now is embarrassing.

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