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Should promotion and relegation be introduced to the 6N? 
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Samoa didn't make the inaugural World Cup in 1987. But yes.


You're right! But they weren't invited and there was no qualification process, so it will be the first time Samoa fail to qualify - if it happens, which I don't think it will to be honest. My money's on Canada failing to make it, they've regressed a bit recently. There will be a h/a playoff between Oceania 3 (Samoa) and Europe 2 (looking likely to be Romania now); the winner will qualify and the loser will join the repechage with Americas 3 (Canada), Africa 2 (probably Zimbabwe), and the winner of yet another playoff between Oceania 4 (Tahiti) and Asia 2 (probably Hong Kong, who will wipe the floor with Tahiti). The four repechage teams will playoff for the final qualification spot, so if both Romania and Canada are in it they can't both go through.

It'll be great to have Spain and Uruguay at the World Cup - they've both qualified before (Uruguay were at the last two, but Spain last qualified way back in 1999), not least because they have/willl (probably) qualify directly. They will probably look at expanding the format soon as there is very little difference between the weakest qualified/probably qualified teams (Namibia, Uruguay, Spain etc.) and several that will likely fail to qualify (Zimbabwe, HK, Russia, Canada).

It's all very exciting, and indicative of the progress Rugby is making outside its traditional territories.

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We don't see a lot of the second tier euro national teams play on TV here - is the tournament televised widely?


The Rugby Europe Championship (6NB) isn't televised outside the participating countries. All the matches are streamed live on rugbyeurope.tv but because of the previous sentence, the commentary isn't ever in English, which may or may not be an issue. Here's the Spain/Romania game:
http://www.rugbyeurope.eu/2018-rugby-eu ... vs-romania


Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:19 am
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Post Re: Should promotion and relegation be introduced to the 6N?
THis is an old thread and nothing will be done unless Italy get beaten 50 points every game and their two regional teams collapse.


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There must be rugby tragics (like me) who will watch any game that's on.

But yeah I look forward to the 6N - I don't think it needs changing. Learn from Super Rugby's mistakes - don't screw with your competition that is working. No change just for the sake of change.


And that, in essence, is what this perennial argument is really all about? How can you have, or rather, hope to have, a system of promotion/relegation, in what is now a 5 game tournament? I haven't looked at any statistics too closely but, I'm willing to bet, that any team (apart from Italy perhaps?) that has 'won' a wooden spoon since the 5 became the 6 Nations, is also a team that has played 3 away games in the competition that year?
I know that we won a GS (2005 I think?) when we won our 3 away games but, that's why a GS (especially with bonus points now?) is still a pretty special achievement? If anyone really thinks that promotion/relegation is any kind of a way forward for the 6N, then step one in order to make it completely equal, is to play home and away games, thereby eliminating the 3 away games as being a factor in relegation? If you agree with that kind of expansion, then the next logical step could well be promotion/relegation? Can't put the cart before the horse though!! (and, does anyone really see a need or even the possibility of it becoming a minimum 10 game tournament?)


Scotland won the wooden spoon in 2007 and 2015 even with three home games (2007 was the year when Italy of all teams scored three tries in the opening ten minutes at Murrayfield). Other than that, yes all teams except Italy that have won the wooden spoon - Wales in 2003, France in 2013, Scotland in 2004 and 2012 - have had three away games.


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Point of order, you cant 'win' the wooden spoon ;)


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Point of order, you cant 'win' the wooden spoon ;)


Point of order sustained M'lud! Although, we've lost it a few times in the past due to Shane Williams and a few others!! :D

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Leave well alone, It is the best competition outside of the rugby world cup, it needs no messing with in any shape or form.

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Post Re: Should promotion and relegation be introduced to the 6N?
On the wooden spoon thing. I thought it was when you lost all the games, not necessarily when you finish bottom (and have won a game).


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Thegrimriper wrote:
Leave well alone, It is the best competition outside of the rugby world cup, it needs no messing with in any shape or form.


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Cymru am byth wrote:
On the wooden spoon thing. I thought it was when you lost all the games, not necessarily when you finish bottom (and have won a game).

That is indeed what it should be.

But along with it being not really a championship win if there is no grandslam, you can't finish bottom without the wooden spoon - or so the publicity machine tells me

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Post Re: Should promotion and relegation be introduced to the 6N?
I don't agree with promotion/relegation for 6 nations.
But I think we should have South Africa instead of Italy. :D


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leave it alone I like the Rome trip.

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leave it alone I like the Rome trip.

Probably a good excuse! Do you have a bit on the side there? :D


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I think its a great idea but won't happen anytime soon. There have been rumblings for years about this but I don't think the will is there from those in charge and there is the financial side of things preventing it. Though I believe something has to be done to improve tier 2 teams. Possibly bottom team entering a 3 way match with top 2 in tier 2 in the Autumn 2 matches winner goes into the 6N. But 1st I think teams like Georgia and Romania need regular matches against the rest of the 6N so to prove they deserve the right and improve there game. I would love to see Italy play against Georgia/Romania but they never seem to play (hmmm) Georgia have had matches against 2nd strig Wales, Ireland, Scotland over the past few years.
I was in Spain the other day and got a chance to see Spain v Romania great game for Spain winning 22-10 though Romania looked out of sorts in front of 15,000 supporters
Agree Italy are on the up but how long do we give them


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