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Warburton out for 6 Ns 
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Was the damage done on the Lions tour?


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Warbs aged 29 has 74 caps. Faletau aged 27 has 70 caps. So not that much in it. Why do posters keep banging on about Warbs injury problems? He puts his body on the line. Give him a break folks.

Never heard any moans about his playing , as you said he puts his body on the line , probably more than what it can take.

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Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:54 pm
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Warbs is a great player and if he is injury prone that is because he fronts up again and again. He does not get the credit he deserves. How many times have people asked on here during a mtach "is Warburton playing" when they should know that he does so much unseen work?


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Warburton can be an excellent player, but the trouble is he is always picked even when (as happens too often) he is unfit or out-of-form. This is all the more astonishing when you consider that the back row is one area where Wales do have genuine strength-in-depth, as proven this Autumn by the performances of players like Navidi and Shingler.


I would agree with you to a point. I think S Warburtonnon form is one of our best players. I don't agree that Navidi and Shingler are in the same league.

I don't think it is criticising Warburton to state that he gets a lot of injuries. Like Roberts was, he seems to be a player that is picked in the international squad immediately after an injury and has played when his form hasn't been great.


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The WRU should pay 100% of his wages, not sure what Cardiff are getting out of it.


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Their choice to offer him a contract or not , when did he get injured this time, can't remember.

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Their choice to offer him a contract or not , when did he get injured this time, can't remember.


Over the Summer he developed his neck injury in training, and now he has had an operation on a longstanding knee problem.


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jimcardiff wrote:
Their choice to offer him a contract or not , when did he get injured this time, can't remember.


Over the Summer he developed his neck injury in training, and now he has had an operation on a longstanding knee problem.


Keeping him standing for 2019 World Cup where he will start at 6

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From the BBC site -
"In consultation with the WRU and Cardiff Blues we decided it would be proactive to have surgery," he said.
The operation was to correct an existing problem, not a new injury."

Basically if it wasn't for the existence of the Lions he would have had this procedure done back in May. Just another little benefit of having an occasional invitation team playing games that are irrelevant to the world rankings interests being put before those of our national team.
All you Lions fans this is your fault.


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The highest honour and recognition of a player's ability and you think it's irrelevant?

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The Abominable Dr. Phibes wrote:
The WRU should pay 100% of his wages, not sure what Cardiff are getting out of it.


That is the gamble they take. As far as I know they didn't have to sign him.


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Bouch wrote:
The highest honour and recognition of a player's ability and you think it's irrelevant?

:kermit:

The Lions knew that he wouldn't be in consideration for their next tour in 2021 so didn't give a crap if, as a result of delayed knee surgery , he got crocked on their 2017 money making exercise.
That putting the wants of a rugby circus first could result in harming the future prospects of the player and the national team he pays for is not a concern of theirs.
It's the highest honour blah blah blah and the fans love the Lions so on it goes.


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Bouch wrote:
The highest honour and recognition of a player's ability and you think it's irrelevant?

:kermit:

The Lions knew that he wouldn't be in consideration for their next tour in 2021 so didn't give a crap if, as a result of delayed knee surgery , he got crocked on their 2017 money making exercise.
That putting the wants of a rugby circus first could result in harming the future prospects of the player and the national team he pays for is not a concern of theirs.
It's the highest honour blah blah blah and the fans love the Lions so on it goes.



Surely that up to the player to decide, preference of what is or isn't something they aspire to achieve. Warburton seems very good at managing his own career. He could have decided to have the operation and declined to tour. Unless he's thick he can make his own judgments regards his body and what he decides are career goals.

For me, he has been a very average club player,he does step up to challenge of international rugby well though, form can be a issue for him but some of his international performances are top drawer. Which kind of makes you think he seldom gives his best for The Blues and has been a drain on resources rather than a asset.

Obviously a very good player on his day. To many average days to make him a great in my opinion. I'd put Martyn Williams before him as a player for both club and country..... I'd be in a small minority there though ;)

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Blindside wrote:
eog wrote:
The Lions knew that he wouldn't be in consideration for their next tour in 2021 so didn't give a crap if, as a result of delayed knee surgery , he got crocked on their 2017 money making exercise.
That putting the wants of a rugby circus first could result in harming the future prospects of the player and the national team he pays for is not a concern of theirs.
It's the highest honour blah blah blah and the fans love the Lions so on it goes.



Surely that up to the player to decide, If the invitation touring team whose results are irrelevant to international rugby rankings didn't exist he'd be spared that decision. As are the players of every other rugby playing country except Ire, Scot and Eng preference of what is or isn't something they aspire to achieve. The rest of the world's rugby players seem to get along fine without feeling like underachievers for not being selected for a supra national team. Warburton seems very good at managing his own career. He could have decided to have the operation and declined to tour. Given the celebrity, the hype, the money, with practically all welsh rugby telling him the Lions captaincy is the pinnacle, with the national coach encouraging him. etc. surely you jest. Unless he's thick he can make his own judgments regards his body and what he decides are career goals. There's so much hype, money (see above) about the Lions it's irrelevant how thick or smart a player is. The temptation is huge. He isn't the first Welsh player to put off surgery in order to go a Lions tour, to their own and our national teams detriment (also their club/region).

For me, he has been a very average club player,he does step up to challenge of international rugby well though, form can be a issue for him but some of his international performances are top drawer. Which kind of makes you think he seldom gives his best for The Blues and has been a drain on resources rather than a asset.

Obviously a very good player on his day. To many average days to make him a great in my opinion. I'd put Martyn Williams before him as a player for both club and country..... I'd be in a small minority there though ;)

WTF we're getting pretty close to agreeing on that.


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eog wrote:
Blindside wrote:
eog wrote:
The Lions knew that he wouldn't be in consideration for their next tour in 2021 so didn't give a crap if, as a result of delayed knee surgery , he got crocked on their 2017 money making exercise.
That putting the wants of a rugby circus first could result in harming the future prospects of the player and the national team he pays for is not a concern of theirs.
It's the highest honour blah blah blah and the fans love the Lions so on it goes.



Surely that up to the player to decide, If the invitation touring team whose results are irrelevant to international rugby rankings didn't exist he'd be spared that decision. As are the players of every other rugby playing country except Ire, Scot and Eng preference of what is or isn't something they aspire to achieve. The rest of the world's rugby players seem to get along fine without feeling like underachievers for not being selected for a supra national team. Warburton seems very good at managing his own career. He could have decided to have the operation and declined to tour. Given the celebrity, the hype, the money, with practically all welsh rugby telling him the Lions captaincy is the pinnacle, with the national coach encouraging him. etc. surely you jest. Unless he's thick he can make his own judgments regards his body and what he decides are career goals. There's so much hype, money (see above) about the Lions it's irrelevant how thick or smart a player is. The temptation is huge. He isn't the first Welsh player to put off surgery in order to go a Lions tour, to their own and our national teams detriment (also their club/region).

For me, he has been a very average club player,he does step up to challenge of international rugby well though, form can be a issue for him but some of his international performances are top drawer. Which kind of makes you think he seldom gives his best for The Blues and has been a drain on resources rather than a asset.

Obviously a very good player on his day. To many average days to make him a great in my opinion. I'd put Martyn Williams before him as a player for both club and country..... I'd be in a small minority there though ;)

WTF we're getting pretty close to agreeing on that.


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