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South Africa; The Last A.I 2018 
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I have never seen Wales concede so many turnovers - there is a problem at the breakdown


Do you think? Tips and Sam injured, Ellis injured as well.

They're down to U20s and old men down in Llanelli, the Wales conveyor belt.


Maybe but the new back row were looking good until this match.
Navidi in particular.

Wales were out muscled at the breakdown. It did not look as if they were committing less players.


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Dan Evans has been a lot less effective for the Ospreys in recent months. A solid Regional player but not an international. Are there any good young fullbacks on the horizon?


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Dan Evans has been a lot less effective for the Ospreys in recent months. A solid Regional player but not an international. Are there any good young fullbacks on the horizon?


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Evan Roberts wrote:
Dan Evans has been a lot less effective for the Ospreys in recent months. A solid Regional player but not an international. Are there any good young fullbacks on the horizon?


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Sam Davies and Dan Evans are both nowhere near international class.
Between them, they lost a match against an Italian side last year by kicking the ball down the throats of the Italians who said thank you very much and kept running the ball back. With the result that, after all the tackling that Ospreys had to do, they were out on their feet in the last 10 minutes of the game.
If it wasn't Sam kicking the good ball away it was Dan.
Sorry, in my book neither of them have a good rugby brain. Yes, they do the occasional thing OK, but a match lasts 80 minutes and not an occasion.
I'd far sooner have, wait for it, Gavin Henson and James Hook than those two, any day.
James Hook is being wasted in the Ospreys set up, as he was before so he is currently being misused.
Sam or James at ten, if I were the coach it would be a no-brainer, James any day.


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Sam Davies and Dan Evans are both nowhere near international class.
Between them, they lost a match against an Italian side last year by kicking the ball down the throats of the Italians who said thank you very much and kept running the ball back. With the result that, after all the tackling that Ospreys had to do, they were out on their feet in the last 10 minutes of the game.
If it wasn't Sam kicking the good ball away it was Dan.
Sorry, in my book neither of them have a good rugby brain. Yes, they do the occasional thing OK, but a match lasts 80 minutes and not an occasion.
I'd far sooner have, wait for it, Gavin Henson and James Hook than those two, any day.
James Hook is being wasted in the Ospreys set up, as he was before so he is currently being misused.
Sam or James at ten, if I were the coach it would be a no-brainer, James any day.



The fact that 2 of the best handlers and runners in the game persistently kicked sounds more like instructions than instinct to me. Sam Davies I suppose does have a tendency to kick, but not long return kicks, mostly skimmers though.

Te days of allowing individuals to do their own thing seem to be gone. It is now 'if you are in your own 25, belt the ball as far as you can to give people time to get back in position'. It is this that was the downfall of Henson. The support would not follow him, but get back on to their marks to defend.

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soap wrote:
BigRed wrote:
Sam Davies and Dan Evans are both nowhere near international class.
Between them, they lost a match against an Italian side last year by kicking the ball down the throats of the Italians who said thank you very much and kept running the ball back. With the result that, after all the tackling that Ospreys had to do, they were out on their feet in the last 10 minutes of the game.
If it wasn't Sam kicking the good ball away it was Dan.
Sorry, in my book neither of them have a good rugby brain. Yes, they do the occasional thing OK, but a match lasts 80 minutes and not an occasion.
I'd far sooner have, wait for it, Gavin Henson and James Hook than those two, any day.
James Hook is being wasted in the Ospreys set up, as he was before so he is currently being misused.
Sam or James at ten, if I were the coach it would be a no-brainer, James any day.



The fact that 2 of the best handlers and runners in the game persistently kicked sounds more like instructions than instinct to me. Sam Davies I suppose does have a tendency to kick, but not long return kicks, mostly skimmers though.

Te days of allowing individuals to do their own thing seem to be gone. It is now 'if you are in your own 25, belt the ball as far as you can to give people time to get back in position'. It is this that was the downfall of Henson. The support would not follow him, but get back on to their marks to defend.

Did you watch Babos (SH) and Henson (FH) against the much vaunted Ulster team on Friday evening?
It was a masterful demonstration of how to control a game even though the team was outmuscled and featuring a team full of youngsters.


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BigRed wrote:
soap wrote:
BigRed wrote:
Sam Davies and Dan Evans are both nowhere near international class.
Between them, they lost a match against an Italian side last year by kicking the ball down the throats of the Italians who said thank you very much and kept running the ball back. With the result that, after all the tackling that Ospreys had to do, they were out on their feet in the last 10 minutes of the game.
If it wasn't Sam kicking the good ball away it was Dan.
Sorry, in my book neither of them have a good rugby brain. Yes, they do the occasional thing OK, but a match lasts 80 minutes and not an occasion.
I'd far sooner have, wait for it, Gavin Henson and James Hook than those two, any day.
James Hook is being wasted in the Ospreys set up, as he was before so he is currently being misused.
Sam or James at ten, if I were the coach it would be a no-brainer, James any day.



The fact that 2 of the best handlers and runners in the game persistently kicked sounds more like instructions than instinct to me. Sam Davies I suppose does have a tendency to kick, but not long return kicks, mostly skimmers though.

Te days of allowing individuals to do their own thing seem to be gone. It is now 'if you are in your own 25, belt the ball as far as you can to give people time to get back in position'. It is this that was the downfall of Henson. The support would not follow him, but get back on to their marks to defend.

Did you watch Babos (SH) and Henson (FH) against the much vaunted Ulster team on Friday evening?
It was a masterful demonstration of how to control a game even though the team was outmuscled and featuring a team full of youngsters.


They didn't control the game enough to concede a try in injury time, having been in the lead with just two minutes to go. Still, in many ways I agree they were impressive.


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We won, blew a couple of decent chances due to white line fever too!

Should never have let them get close let alone go in front having been 18 ponts up but can't complain with the win!

We closed the game out well after we got back in front and I don't remember SA getting a chance to take a drop goal and we were disciplined when they got into our half after that!

6/10 performance but 10/10 result

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BigRed wrote:
soap wrote:
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Sam Davies and Dan Evans are both nowhere near international class.
Between them, they lost a match against an Italian side last year by kicking the ball down the throats of the Italians who said thank you very much and kept running the ball back. With the result that, after all the tackling that Ospreys had to do, they were out on their feet in the last 10 minutes of the game.
If it wasn't Sam kicking the good ball away it was Dan.
Sorry, in my book neither of them have a good rugby brain. Yes, they do the occasional thing OK, but a match lasts 80 minutes and not an occasion.
I'd far sooner have, wait for it, Gavin Henson and James Hook than those two, any day.
James Hook is being wasted in the Ospreys set up, as he was before so he is currently being misused.
Sam or James at ten, if I were the coach it would be a no-brainer, James any day.



The fact that 2 of the best handlers and runners in the game persistently kicked sounds more like instructions than instinct to me. Sam Davies I suppose does have a tendency to kick, but not long return kicks, mostly skimmers though.

Te days of allowing individuals to do their own thing seem to be gone. It is now 'if you are in your own 25, belt the ball as far as you can to give people time to get back in position'. It is this that was the downfall of Henson. The support would not follow him, but get back on to their marks to defend.

Did you watch Babos (SH) and Henson (FH) against the much vaunted Ulster team on Friday evening?
It was a masterful demonstration of how to control a game even though the team was outmuscled and featuring a team full of youngsters.


But Henson is given some leeway to change the game. I don't think the international side allowed anyone since Shane finished. Th eplayers like Henson can turn a game or hand it over depending on the day. I am a huge Henson fan and really grieve what we missed from him due to poor handling by agents and coaches.

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But Henson is given some leeway to change the game. I don't think the international side allowed anyone since Shane finished. Th eplayers like Henson can turn a game or hand it over depending on the day. I am a huge Henson fan and really grieve what we missed from him due to poor handling by agents and coaches.


And his own faults, let's not pretend Henson was a good personality or particularly intelligent in non-rugby stuff. You don't get shunted around as many clubs as him, falling from national side to a tier 2 club if you don't have some serious faults. Hell the guy managed to piss off the Bath team so much he got himself knocked out before he had even played a game for them. They guy was and is a *prk*. You don't know how many players or staff in the national side he may have rubbed up the wrong way too. Hook I'd say was a better example of a player with a great skillset who was hard done by, Henson gives the impression that a lot of his fall from grace was in large part down to his attitude.

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But Henson is given some leeway to change the game. I don't think the international side allowed anyone since Shane finished. Th eplayers like Henson can turn a game or hand it over depending on the day. I am a huge Henson fan and really grieve what we missed from him due to poor handling by agents and coaches.


And his own faults, let's not pretend Henson was a good personality or particularly intelligent in non-rugby stuff. You don't get shunted around as many clubs as him, falling from national side to a tier 2 club if you don't have some serious faults. Hell the guy managed to piss off the Bath team so much he got himself knocked out before he had even played a game for them. They guy was and is a *prk*. You don't know how many players or staff in the national side he may have rubbed up the wrong way too. Hook I'd say was a better example of a player with a great skillset who was hard done by, Henson gives the impression that a lot of his fall from grace was in large part down to his attitude.


I would agree. Great player, bad attitude.


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Cymru am byth wrote:
Troron wrote:
soap wrote:
But Henson is given some leeway to change the game. I don't think the international side allowed anyone since Shane finished. Th eplayers like Henson can turn a game or hand it over depending on the day. I am a huge Henson fan and really grieve what we missed from him due to poor handling by agents and coaches.


And his own faults, let's not pretend Henson was a good personality or particularly intelligent in non-rugby stuff. You don't get shunted around as many clubs as him, falling from national side to a tier 2 club if you don't have some serious faults. Hell the guy managed to piss off the Bath team so much he got himself knocked out before he had even played a game for them. They guy was and is a *prk*. You don't know how many players or staff in the national side he may have rubbed up the wrong way too. Hook I'd say was a better example of a player with a great skillset who was hard done by, Henson gives the impression that a lot of his fall from grace was in large part down to his attitude.


I would agree. Great player, bad attitude.


The clubs that have employed Henson recently are very happy with him.

Perhaps he's not the man he was.

The Dragons are going to use him to teach their young players.

I wonder if he can pass on his skills?


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Please give me a break Henson and Hook yesterday's men and way overrated during their times Henson did ok against Ulster but made loads of mistakes and took some terrible options..nowhere near international class...


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Hook is a busted flush totally found out not good enough at centre or outside half overrated and always has been...


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