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I have said it before - A team makes a coach, not a coach makes a team !!!


Thu Sep 28, 2017 10:16 pm
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JOHNWALES wrote:
I have said it before - A team makes a coach, not a coach makes a team !!!



Its a bit like being a formula one driver, the best car normally wins, but if theres nothing much to choose between the cars, the driver is important.

I think NZ had the best car and the best driver but they *fupped* the pit stop up :D

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JOHNWALES wrote:
I have said it before - A team makes a coach, not a coach makes a team !!!



Its a bit like being a formula one driver, the best car normally wins, but if theres nothing much to choose between the cars, the driver is important.

I think NZ had the best car and the best driver but they *fupped* the pit stop up :D


The thing is too you look at some of the NZ players and wonder if at various times they would have even been looked at for NH teams. NH rugby for ages has been too conservative and wouldn't give a highly mobile hooker a 2nd look over one who could milk a few scrum penalties. NZ innovate and always look for their players to do more, for too long the NH has been content having players who are quite severely deficient in various aspects of their game because that is traditional for that position. I would not be surprised if in the future NZ front rowers are all semi-competent kickers too.

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Having multi-skilled players is a fantastic idea.

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Having multi-skilled players is a fantastic idea.

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Amazing how it's taken this long for other sides to realise forwards, particularly the front row, should all be able to pass accurately and even run into space.

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Bouch wrote:
Having multi-skilled players is a fantastic idea.

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Amazing how it's taken this long for other sides to realise forwards, particularly the front row, should all be able to pass accurately and even run into space.


In 2013, we had some Auckland Assistants come here to coach for a week or so, and after watching a game, we had a day of passing drills and offloads...no contact. They could believe how bad the basic handling skills were.

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Langland Exile wrote:
Troron wrote:
Bouch wrote:
Having multi-skilled players is a fantastic idea.

:thumbup:


Amazing how it's taken this long for other sides to realise forwards, particularly the front row, should all be able to pass accurately and even run into space.


In 2013, we had some Auckland Assistants come here to coach for a week or so, and after watching a game, we had a day of passing drills and offloads...no contact. They could believe how bad the basic handling skills were.


Was that in Wales or the US?


Sat Sep 30, 2017 3:28 am
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I think its reasonably healthy, Gatland and to a lesser extent Howley have come out of it with a great deal of credit, they achieved far more than was expected by the bookies, so they confounded the odds and the expert opinions that those odds are based on. However we have had a little insight into opinions and that is they are not universally respected as prime movers of the "success", but who would be? Eddie Jones is the high-flying coach of England i would have liked to see him have a crack, but he didnt, the man who did enhanced his reputation, with the masses, if not with the squad :dontknow: We pay our money to sky or to support sport, so why cant we be aware of opinions at the appropriate time ? After the tour is over and the dust settles.

Some think Gatland is a fantastic coach, others that he is extremely lucky. I dont think you can seriously knock his record. IMO he manages the personality within teams extremely well and people should not underestimate how important this is to results but without the results, i dont think he could manage the personalities, so hes quite lucky :) . However from a viewpoint of rugby coaching in its pure form, which is what O'Brien as criticised, i think the truth is midway between him being a great coach and a lucky one. Hes OK at the highest level and hes been lucky.



What?? :D :D :D

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najbritcol wrote:
Langland Exile wrote:
Troron wrote:
Bouch wrote:
Having multi-skilled players is a fantastic idea.

:thumbup:


Amazing how it's taken this long for other sides to realise forwards, particularly the front row, should all be able to pass accurately and even run into space.


In 2013, we had some Auckland Assistants come here to coach for a week or so, and after watching a game, we had a day of passing drills and offloads...no contact. They could believe how bad the basic handling skills were.


Was that in Wales or the US?


My location is a clue..

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Langland Exile wrote:
najbritcol wrote:
Langland Exile wrote:
Troron wrote:
Bouch wrote:
Having multi-skilled players is a fantastic idea.

:thumbup:


Amazing how it's taken this long for other sides to realise forwards, particularly the front row, should all be able to pass accurately and even run into space.


In 2013, we had some Auckland Assistants come here to coach for a week or so, and after watching a game, we had a day of passing drills and offloads...no contact. They could believe how bad the basic handling skills were.


Was that in Wales or the US?


My location is a clue..


The point is that, to some extent, it could apply to either country. :D


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najbritcol wrote:
Langland Exile wrote:
najbritcol wrote:
Langland Exile wrote:
Troron wrote:
Bouch wrote:
Having multi-skilled players is a fantastic idea.

:thumbup:


Amazing how it's taken this long for other sides to realise forwards, particularly the front row, should all be able to pass accurately and even run into space.


In 2013, we had some Auckland Assistants come here to coach for a week or so, and after watching a game, we had a day of passing drills and offloads...no contact. They could believe how bad the basic handling skills were.


Was that in Wales or the US?


My location is a clue..


The point is that, to some extent, it could apply to either country. :D


I doubt Welsh clubs would take any coaching from outsiders

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Langland Exile wrote:
najbritcol wrote:
Langland Exile wrote:
najbritcol wrote:
Langland Exile wrote:
Troron wrote:
Bouch wrote:
Having multi-skilled players is a fantastic idea.

:thumbup:


Amazing how it's taken this long for other sides to realise forwards, particularly the front row, should all be able to pass accurately and even run into space.


In 2013, we had some Auckland Assistants come here to coach for a week or so, and after watching a game, we had a day of passing drills and offloads...no contact. They could believe how bad the basic handling skills were.


Was that in Wales or the US?


My location is a clue..


The point is that, to some extent, it could apply to either country. :D


I doubt Welsh clubs would take any coaching from outsiders


Why not? Their head coach and three of the four regional coaches aren't from Wales.


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:thumbup:[/quote]

Amazing how it's taken this long for other sides to realise forwards, particularly the front row, should all be able to pass accurately and even run into space.[/quote]

In 2013, we had some Auckland Assistants come here to coach for a week or so, and after watching a game, we had a day of passing drills and offloads...no contact. They could believe how bad the basic handling skills were.[/quote]

Was that in Wales or the US?[/quote]

My location is a clue..[/quote]

The point is that, to some extent, it could apply to either country. :D[/quote]

I doubt Welsh clubs would take any coaching from outsiders[/quote]

Why not? Their head coach and three of the four regional coaches aren't from Wales.[/quote]

I think you will find that the regions are not clubs... :scratch:

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Langland Exile wrote:
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Amazing how it's taken this long for other sides to realise forwards, particularly the front row, should all be able to pass accurately and even run into space.[/quote]

In 2013, we had some Auckland Assistants come here to coach for a week or so, and after watching a game, we had a day of passing drills and offloads...no contact. They could believe how bad the basic handling skills were.[/quote]

Was that in Wales or the US?[/quote]

My location is a clue..[/quote]

The point is that, to some extent, it could apply to either country. :D[/quote]

I doubt Welsh clubs would take any coaching from outsiders[/quote]

Why not? Their head coach and three of the four regional coaches aren't from Wales.[/quote]

I think you will find that the regions supposedly are not clubs... :scratch:[/quote]

Fixed. Anyway, I think you'll find non-Welsh people involved in the amateur game are not so rare - Mumbles RFC has an Englishman and a South African among its principal members of staff, for example.


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najbritcol wrote:
Langland Exile wrote:
:thumbup:


Amazing how it's taken this long for other sides to realise forwards, particularly the front row, should all be able to pass accurately and even run into space.


In 2013, we had some Auckland Assistants come here to coach for a week or so, and after watching a game, we had a day of passing drills and offloads...no contact. They could believe how bad the basic handling skills were.[/quote]

Was that in Wales or the US?[/quote]

My location is a clue..[/quote]

The point is that, to some extent, it could apply to either country. :D[/quote]

I doubt Welsh clubs would take any coaching from outsiders[/quote]

Why not? Their head coach and three of the four regional coaches aren't from Wales.[/quote]

I think you will find that the regions supposedly are not clubs... :scratch:[/quote]

Fixed. Anyway, I think you'll find non-Welsh people involved in the amateur game are not so rare - Mumbles RFC has an Englishman and a South African among its principal members of staff, for example.[/quote]

Presumably because they need the work, and Welsh people won't do it.. ;)

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