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I can't see the problem


Nor me.

As has already been mentioned, England & France are the bigest - population wise - and bankroll the rest of us. Like it or not but that's the way it is and it 'ain't going to change so no point in fighting a battle you can't win. We, the Celts, got our arses handed to us when we tried to flex our puny muscles against the English/French over the Heineken/Champions Cup debarcle.

The way I see it England's Clubs are on the way to causing serious problems for themselves and the RFU further down the line. Their insistence on yet more games/longer season will result in more severe injuries, player burn-out, welfare issues and hence more and more foreign mercenaries playing in the Premiership resulting in a dilution and eventual weakening of the England team - see France this last few years.

None of this will deter the Clubs and owners however who are only interested in the money and not the wellbeing of their employees or the International game or Lion's tours. This is very shortsighted and will rebound on them eventually as either the players will revolt and/or open warfare with the RFU will break out.

Best we sit tight and keep quiet. No point in getting involved if there is no appreciable benefit to us to be had - and there isn't, we've no dog in this fight - and let them carry on down the rocky road they seem determined to go. It'll end in tears eventually but there's little or nothing we can do to influence the end result.


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Post Re: 6 Nations to change format?
English rugby seems to be going the same way as English football.

England rugby currently have a strong national side but it wouldn't surprise me in 20 years for England to be scratching round for decent players.

I watched the increase in commercialism destroy English football gradually from 1993. World Cup semi finalist in italia 90, euro 96 semis... more recently England got put out of the Euros by Iceland.


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English rugby seems to be going the same way as English football.

England rugby currently have a strong national side but it wouldn't surprise me in 20 years for England to be scratching round for decent players.

I watched the increase in commercialism destroy English football gradually from 1993. World Cup semi finalist in italia 90, euro 96 semis... more recently England got put out of the Euros by Iceland.


The difference is, however, that football is a genuinely global sport and thus lots of other countries have overtaken England at international if not at club level, whereas only about sixteen countries are any decent at rugby and England's player pool is exceptionally big within the context of the sport. On the other hand, England already do seem to be vastly increasing their number of project players - Manu Tuilagi, Vunipolas, Nathan Hughes, Semesa Rokoduguni, Denny Solomona etc. - so goodness knows what it'll be like in twenty years time.


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najbritcol wrote:
AverageBBCjournalist wrote:
English rugby seems to be going the same way as English football.

England rugby currently have a strong national side but it wouldn't surprise me in 20 years for England to be scratching round for decent players.

I watched the increase in commercialism destroy English football gradually from 1993. World Cup semi finalist in italia 90, euro 96 semis... more recently England got put out of the Euros by Iceland.


The difference is, however, that football is a genuinely global sport and thus lots of other countries have overtaken England at international if not at club level, whereas only about sixteen countries are any decent at rugby and England's player pool is exceptionally big within the context of the sport. On the other hand, England already do seem to be vastly increasing their number of project players - Manu Tuilagi, Vunipolas, Nathan Hughes, Semesa Rokoduguni, Denny Solomona etc. - so goodness knows what it'll be like in twenty years time.


Haven't a clue what point your trying to make about football being a global sport and rugby not. Both France and SA have recently been a shambles despite a limited number of opposing teams playing rugby


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najbritcol wrote:
AverageBBCjournalist wrote:
English rugby seems to be going the same way as English football.

England rugby currently have a strong national side but it wouldn't surprise me in 20 years for England to be scratching round for decent players.

I watched the increase in commercialism destroy English football gradually from 1993. World Cup semi finalist in italia 90, euro 96 semis... more recently England got put out of the Euros by Iceland.


The difference is, however, that football is a genuinely global sport and thus lots of other countries have overtaken England at international if not at club level, whereas only about sixteen countries are any decent at rugby and England's player pool is exceptionally big within the context of the sport. On the other hand, England already do seem to be vastly increasing their number of project players - Manu Tuilagi, Vunipolas, Nathan Hughes, Semesa Rokoduguni, Denny Solomona etc. - so goodness knows what it'll be like in twenty years time.


I'd hardly call Tuilagi, Vunipolas or Roko project players... They were all either here before they even started for seniors or have just been here for ages anyway and were brought in at the end of their career... Solomona and Hughes sure and I don't know why we are using them, it's not like he are exactly lacking for English players on the wing or at 8.

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AverageBBCjournalist wrote:
najbritcol wrote:
AverageBBCjournalist wrote:
English rugby seems to be going the same way as English football.

England rugby currently have a strong national side but it wouldn't surprise me in 20 years for England to be scratching round for decent players.

I watched the increase in commercialism destroy English football gradually from 1993. World Cup semi finalist in italia 90, euro 96 semis... more recently England got put out of the Euros by Iceland.


The difference is, however, that football is a genuinely global sport and thus lots of other countries have overtaken England at international if not at club level, whereas only about sixteen countries are any decent at rugby and England's player pool is exceptionally big within the context of the sport. On the other hand, England already do seem to be vastly increasing their number of project players - Manu Tuilagi, Vunipolas, Nathan Hughes, Semesa Rokoduguni, Denny Solomona etc. - so goodness knows what it'll be like in twenty years time.


Haven't a clue what point your trying to make about football being a global sport and rugby not. Both France and SA have recently been a shambles despite a limited number of opposing teams playing rugby


Granted, but still England have more money and players than do either of those. French rugby has too many foreign players and an excessively long and tiresome season, while South African rugby has suffered from economic decline and a misguided racial quota policy.


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Post Re: 6 Nations to change format?
najbritcol wrote:
AverageBBCjournalist wrote:
najbritcol wrote:
AverageBBCjournalist wrote:
English rugby seems to be going the same way as English football.

England rugby currently have a strong national side but it wouldn't surprise me in 20 years for England to be scratching round for decent players.

I watched the increase in commercialism destroy English football gradually from 1993. World Cup semi finalist in italia 90, euro 96 semis... more recently England got put out of the Euros by Iceland.


The difference is, however, that football is a genuinely global sport and thus lots of other countries have overtaken England at international if not at club level, whereas only about sixteen countries are any decent at rugby and England's player pool is exceptionally big within the context of the sport. On the other hand, England already do seem to be vastly increasing their number of project players - Manu Tuilagi, Vunipolas, Nathan Hughes, Semesa Rokoduguni, Denny Solomona etc. - so goodness knows what it'll be like in twenty years time.


Haven't a clue what point your trying to make about football being a global sport and rugby not. Both France and SA have recently been a shambles despite a limited number of opposing teams playing rugby


Granted, but still England have more money and players than do either of those. French rugby has too many foreign players and an excessively long and tiresome season, while South African rugby has suffered from economic decline and a misguided racial quota policy.


As often happens, the core argument is dropped or twisted in another direction.

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Post Re: 6 Nations to change format?
The current issue with the 6N is the 2 free weekends.

I think keeping it at 7 weeks is best, but have at least 1 match every week to keep continuity.

There are 15 matches

Weekend 1 launch weekend, all 6 teams play (3)
Weekend 2 2 matches
Weekend 3 2 matches
Weekend 4 1 match
Weekend 5 2 matches
Weekend 6 2 matches
Weekend 7 super Saturday all 6 teams play.(3)

And yes I know some teams will have to play 3 weeks in a row, but they still get 2 weeks off out of 4.


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The current issue with the 6N is the 2 free weekends.

I think keeping it at 7 weeks is best, but have at least 1 match every week to keep continuity.

There are 15 matches

Weekend 1 launch weekend, all 6 teams play (3)
Weekend 2 2 matches
Weekend 3 2 matches
Weekend 4 1 match
Weekend 5 2 matches
Weekend 6 2 matches
Weekend 7 super Saturday all 6 teams play.(3)

And yes I know some teams will have to play 3 weeks in a row, but they still get 2 weeks off out of 4.


Sorry but that's a bad idea. All teams should have as similar resting as possible. The second teams start having drastically different resting periods it becomes grossly unfair. See Japan having to face a completely fresh Scotland a few days after that brutal game against SA, they were dead on their feet.

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I think the feeling in certain parts of the valleys is that the Vunipolas were very much poached, from Wales! ;)


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