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It is beyond belief that the Welsh team seem oblivious to changes in the laws which now apply to their games on tour.
Why hasn't the coaching team ensured that the team knows that a penalty try is now an automatic seven points without the conversion having to take place. Are they aware of other law changes which apply? Do the players on their own account read the publicity which these law changes have been given? Other changes could have a serious effect on the outcome of a match particularly in the latter stages. I was going to say sounds amateurish but incompetence on someone's part is more appropriate. The Welsh coaching team is complacent and players rely on being spoon fed.


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I would expect at least a tour party to have a couple of hours having stuff like this pointed out before leaving

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Pretty astonishing isn't it.


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It is not just a Welsh problem. See Conor Murray's mistake with kicking the ball straight out.


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What is the new law with kicking the ball out?

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What is the new law with kicking the ball out?

Have to tap it first I think.

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In response to request for clarification on kicking to touch from penalty after full time the lineout will now be taken rather than the whistle being blown for full time.

Some other interesting law changes are as follows:
The one (only one?) which the Welsh team was not aware of was an automatic seven points for a penalty try without any conversion having to be taken;
Uncontested scrums for whatever reason must now have eight players from each side;
Last season if a player caught a ball which was still in the field of play but that player placed a foot in touch when he caught it the throw in would be awarded to the team of the player who caught the ball. It now goes to the opposition who kicked the ball. Similar changes, apply to try line, 22 and deadball area.

Ignorance of such law changes could affect the result of a match.

Again unbelievable that players have not been made aware of changes and have not bothered to find out for themselves.


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One of the Wales U20's fatties deliberately threw the ball into touch after the half-time hooter blew. Penalty to Italy which hit the post.

Moron.


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Stroud Wizard wrote:
In response to request for clarification on kicking to touch from penalty after full time the lineout will now be taken rather than the whistle being blown for full time.

Some other interesting law changes are as follows:
The one (only one?) which the Welsh team was not aware of was an automatic seven points for a penalty try without any conversion having to be taken;
Uncontested scrums for whatever reason must now have eight players from each side;
Last season if a player caught a ball which was still in the field of play but that player placed a foot in touch when he caught it the throw in would be awarded to the team of the player who caught the ball. It now goes to the opposition who kicked the ball. Similar changes, apply to try line, 22 and deadball area.

Ignorance of such law changes could affect the result of a match.

Again unbelievable that players have not been made aware of changes and have not bothered to find out for themselves.


To be fair to some of them. They had not played at this level before, and the rules are very new. The 7 points for a penalty try is neither here nor there as a olayer's knowledge of the automatic conversion is unlikely to inpact the game. Sure, they should have known it but they had other things to concentrate on.


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Cymru am byth wrote:
Stroud Wizard wrote:
In response to request for clarification on kicking to touch from penalty after full time the lineout will now be taken rather than the whistle being blown for full time.

Some other interesting law changes are as follows:
The one (only one?) which the Welsh team was not aware of was an automatic seven points for a penalty try without any conversion having to be taken;
Uncontested scrums for whatever reason must now have eight players from each side;
Last season if a player caught a ball which was still in the field of play but that player placed a foot in touch when he caught it the throw in would be awarded to the team of the player who caught the ball. It now goes to the opposition who kicked the ball. Similar changes, apply to try line, 22 and deadball area.

Ignorance of such law changes could affect the result of a match.

Again unbelievable that players have not been made aware of changes and have not bothered to find out for themselves.


To be fair to some of them. They had not played at this level before, and the rules are very new. The 7 points for a penalty try is neither here nor there as a olayer's knowledge of the automatic conversion is unlikely to inpact the game. Sure, they should have known it but they had other things to concentrate on.



Exactly ! not knowing something that does not effect an outcome is not the end of the world :dontknow:

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Donkka wrote:
One of the Wales U20's fatties deliberately threw the ball into touch after the half-time hooter blew. Penalty to Italy which hit the post.

Moron.



Even if he didn't know the rules ..throwing the ball into touch is worse than diving in football!

It is just plain shame full.


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Deliberately Throwing the ball into touch is not a new law though .

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Blindside wrote:
Cymru am byth wrote:
Stroud Wizard wrote:
In response to request for clarification on kicking to touch from penalty after full time the lineout will now be taken rather than the whistle being blown for full time.

Some other interesting law changes are as follows:
The one (only one?) which the Welsh team was not aware of was an automatic seven points for a penalty try without any conversion having to be taken;
Uncontested scrums for whatever reason must now have eight players from each side;
Last season if a player caught a ball which was still in the field of play but that player placed a foot in touch when he caught it the throw in would be awarded to the team of the player who caught the ball. It now goes to the opposition who kicked the ball. Similar changes, apply to try line, 22 and deadball area.

Ignorance of such law changes could affect the result of a match.

Again unbelievable that players have not been made aware of changes and have not bothered to find out for themselves.


To be fair to some of them. They had not played at this level before, and the rules are very new. The 7 points for a penalty try is neither here nor there as a olayer's knowledge of the automatic conversion is unlikely to inpact the game. Sure, they should have known it but they had other things to concentrate on.



Exactly ! not knowing something that does not effect an outcome is not the end of the world :dontknow:


it would take 2 seconds to explain that law though. and if players didn't know that law, what other laws do players not know? This is just another example of players and coaches moving to far away from under standing the game to prescribed playing by numbers.

look at the try australia scored against wales in the autumn. Oz kicked ahead, wales passed it, and davies didn't understand the offside rule. as he was passed the ball and run 10m the oz players were on side, and he passed it straight to their 2nd row for a run in under posts.

england and the ruck against italy, players standing off lineouts when one has already gone in. you don't know what you don't know but that shouldn't happen at international level when there's a finite amount of things to know.


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Stroud Wizard wrote:
In response to request for clarification on kicking to touch from penalty after full time the lineout will now be taken rather than the whistle being blown for full time.

Some other interesting law changes are as follows:
The one (only one?) which the Welsh team was not aware of was an automatic seven points for a penalty try without any conversion having to be taken;
Uncontested scrums for whatever reason must now have eight players from each side;
Last season if a player caught a ball which was still in the field of play but that player placed a foot in touch when he caught it the throw in would be awarded to the team of the player who caught the ball. It now goes to the opposition who kicked the ball. Similar changes, apply to try line, 22 and deadball area.

Ignorance of such law changes could affect the result of a match.

Again unbelievable that players have not been made aware of changes and have not bothered to find out for themselves.



Last season if a player caught a ball which was still in the field of play but that player placed a foot in touch when he caught it the throw in would be awarded to the team of the player who caught the ball. It now goes to the opposition who kicked the ball.

That one I did not know about. we could see that bite a few players

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mr messy wrote:
Blindside wrote:
Cymru am byth wrote:
Stroud Wizard wrote:
In response to request for clarification on kicking to touch from penalty after full time the lineout will now be taken rather than the whistle being blown for full time.

Some other interesting law changes are as follows:
The one (only one?) which the Welsh team was not aware of was an automatic seven points for a penalty try without any conversion having to be taken;
Uncontested scrums for whatever reason must now have eight players from each side;
Last season if a player caught a ball which was still in the field of play but that player placed a foot in touch when he caught it the throw in would be awarded to the team of the player who caught the ball. It now goes to the opposition who kicked the ball. Similar changes, apply to try line, 22 and deadball area.

Ignorance of such law changes could affect the result of a match.

Again unbelievable that players have not been made aware of changes and have not bothered to find out for themselves.


To be fair to some of them. They had not played at this level before, and the rules are very new. The 7 points for a penalty try is neither here nor there as a olayer's knowledge of the automatic conversion is unlikely to inpact the game. Sure, they should have known it but they had other things to concentrate on.



Exactly ! not knowing something that does not effect an outcome is not the end of the world :dontknow:


it would take 2 seconds to explain that law though. and if players didn't know that law, what other laws do players not know? This is just another example of players and coaches moving to far away from under standing the game to prescribed playing by numbers.

look at the try australia scored against wales in the autumn. Oz kicked ahead, wales passed it, and davies didn't understand the offside rule. as he was passed the ball and run 10m the oz players were on side, and he passed it straight to their 2nd row for a run in under posts.

england and the ruck against italy, players standing off lineouts when one has already gone in. you don't know what you don't know but that shouldn't happen at international level when there's a finite amount of things to know.


Oh come on! If professional players don't know the rules, no one does. In the heat of the game, it is easy to forget new rule changes.

Of course these llayers were informed but as they probably hadn't encountered it before they probably forgot. I fail to see how not knowing whether a penalty try is worth 7 rather than 5 and a kick has any impact on the game. The ref would simply have told the player attenpting the kick to leave the ball where it was and stand in his half. Play couldn't continue until this was done.


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