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Goal kicking:
Its the obvious one neither Cruden or B Barrett are great goal kickers.
Jordie Barrett and Lima Sapoaga are better but depends if they play. This is the most obvious.

Back row:
What I did notice in the Wales tour to NZ and last years NH tour. We arnt consistently dominant here any more. I think Ireland, and Wales in at least one test were better at the breakdown and turn over.
Are Sam Cane, Kaino, Keiron Read, the best back row in the world. They are close but outright best? Im not sure. Mind you Keiron has looked good in the last couple of games.

Front row rumbling:
Hit ups pick and go, breakdown etc. I think defensively we are pretty good. What I noticed again in the NH that the Irish props just rumbled foward making huge yards. Possibly our bench of Faumuina and Crockett can do this, but I think the Lions may have a better starting offensive Propping go foward. Our props skill set is great but the go foward in the starting props Lions may be better.

Centres:
We are a long way off Nonu and C Smith here. It looks like Crotty and Anton Leanard Brown here, they are good, ALB may be gifted but they are not world class and not proven at international level yet imo. There could be some great coming of ages for the kiwis here. SBW, Fekitoa and Moala are all a bit, maybe they could do it.

Dynamic players missing
Nehe Milner Skudder, Naholo, Mkenzie, Rieko Ioane possibly Jordie Barrett are all dynamoes, and all could possibly not get a test match. After that Barrett maybe the only true dynamic player in the backs?

Ardie Savea, Fekitoa and possibly Retallic are quite dynamic, but we havnt got a big Tongan no 8 like Vainipula.
In the past tours we have had players like that, Jerry Collins, Sione Lauaki. Who would believe the Lions will have the two biggest Island loose fowards in their squad? Kaino possibly close to Toby. We do have Ardie but he is a mini Vainipula. There could be some huge advantages with him screaming at the NZ foward pack with 20 mins to go. Im looking foward to that..

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Post Re: The All Blacks weaknesses and vulnerability
Goal kicking is a problem. I think Jordie Barrett will take that over before the year has ended.

Back row is world class, breakdown work is calculated, and they don't need to waste energy at every ruck.
Locks are the best in the world.
Props get through a ton of work in the loose, scrums are over rated nowadays.

Back 3 we have many riches. Savea is in the shape of his life. BS finished the test season as the best FB in the game imho, and possibly our best winger as well. Dagg, NMS, Jordie Barrett, Naholo. Then there's a heap of players to choose from. We do like to have 2 specialist FBs on at the same time, hence my harping on about JB.

Centers are our weakness as we don't really know who they are. ALB is a dead cert after last year, but who will be with him? Crotty probably, which isn't bad, but as you said, it's no CS/Nonu.

In all honesty we have no glaring weaknesses, just things that aren't as good as others.

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Goal kicking:
Its the obvious one neither Cruden or B Barrett are great goal kickers.
Jordie Barrett and Lima Sapoaga are better but depends if they play. This is the most obvious.

Back row:
What I did notice in the Wales tour to NZ and last years NH tour. We arnt consistently dominant here any more. I think Ireland, and Wales in at least one test were better at the breakdown and turn over.
Are Sam Cane, Kaino, Keiron Read, the best back row in the world. They are close but outright best? Im not sure. Mind you Keiron has looked good in the last couple of games.

Front row rumbling:
Hit ups pick and go, breakdown etc. I think defensively we are pretty good. What I noticed again in the NH that the Irish props just rumbled foward making huge yards. Possibly our bench of Faumuina and Crockett can do this, but I think the Lions may have a better starting offensive Propping go foward. Our props skill set is great but the go foward in the starting props Lions may be better.

Centres:
We are a long way off Nonu and C Smith here. It looks like Crotty and Anton Leanard Brown here, they are good, ALB may be gifted but they are not world class and not proven at international level yet imo. There could be some great coming of ages for the kiwis here. SBW, Fekitoa and Moala are all a bit, maybe they could do it.

Dynamic players missing
Nehe Milner Skudder, Naholo, Mkenzie, Rieko Ioane possibly Jordie Barrett are all dynamoes, and all could possibly not get a test match. After that Barrett maybe the only true dynamic player in the backs?

Ardie Savea, Fekitoa and possibly Retallic are quite dynamic, but we havnt got a big Tongan no 8 like Vainipula.
In the past tours we have had players like that, Jerry Collins, Sione Lauaki. Who would believe the Lions will have the two biggest Island loose fowards in their squad? Kaino possibly close to Toby. We do have Ardie but he is a mini Vainipula. There could be some huge advantages with him screaming at the NZ foward pack with 20 mins to go. Im looking foward to that..

Just some thoughts


They have it on us in kicking if we don't use Jordie. Soaps figures are not what they seem - falsely inflated. BB and Crudes are both better 10s so he won't get a game anyway.

I don't reckon we play the same game in the back row anymore. Like LC said - it's a timing thing. Our back row might not be as dominant - but our defence has been freakin crazy good. The loosies are fanning out and making tackles - we hardly commit guys to the rucks. Are they all individually the best in the world - nope, but as a unit I reckon they are.

Lol at the Faumuina plug. Our starting scrum has been smashing the shit out of everyone the past few years. It used to be a point people would troll us on - not any more. They smash them up for 50-60 mins and on comes Charlie to do a few runs and make a few passes when the game is already won.

Centres - Aso, Laumape, ALB, SBW, Feki, Moala, Crotty, Rieko, Ngatai, Proctor - pick any 2 (except Feki please). Pick one experienced guy and one new guy and they'll smash the Lions. What other country has these riches in one of their "bad" positions?

Dynamic players? How about last years best player in the world, y'know that guy that guy who is in absolutely ridiculous form atm for the Canes. He only gets a maybe? And there are loads of freaks waiting to get a shot - some of them will during the Lions series.

Not sure why we need someone like Sione Lauaki - he was absolutely awful in black. Not just like Charlie or Ice - really, really bad. I mean seriously bad - so bad people made videos entitled "The Worst Performance in an AB Shirt" Check out the type of guy you're suggesting we need for the Lions - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td3yJhumajo . Have a look how at one point he is smashed and driven back by the Aussie 9! Watch him miss tackle after tackle. See the ridiculous amount of lost ball... The fascination you have with us having to have a big island dude is a bit weird - if someone said "we're a bit lacking in white guys because all the islanders are missing x and y" you'd throw a fit. The island boys in the Lions you have mentioned haven't really bothered us in the past - why should they now?

I reckon we're in better shape than 2011, and possibly overall a better team than 2015 now. The Lions won't win a game and we'll absolutely smash them at least once.

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The All Blacks weaknesses and vulnerability?????

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The All Blacks weaknesses and vulnerability?????

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Post Re: The All Blacks weaknesses and vulnerability
lol
Gees AB's must be huge faves with this series

Props
FMY's from what I saw especially the Irish games, the GB and Irish teams rumble it better than our starting props, we shall see. The Faumuina thing, a reserve prop is almost as important as the starter, and like it or not, they (including Crockett), have been a trump card for us. We close out so many games with this impact. The propping game has changed. Faumuina and who ever subs with him are trump cards for us and have been for a while, coming and choking out the last 20. All Im saying from what I saw, they ruble it better than we do especially there starters. I really do think you need to look at Key tests over the last four years FMYs and realise the impact players are leathal, or have been for the AB's. And they have been Faumuina and Crockett.

Back row yep, I do like the Wales and Irish, sorry dont know the English so well, are better than what we give them credit for. The gap has got closer here, we shall see though. McCaw may be the main reason. Cane didnt dominate against Wales or the NH tour. Read actually looks good, better than last year.

Centres yep, but realistically all unproven except SBWs arguably, they need to show it. Crotty possibly but hes hardy world class. Proctor, Aso and Laumape have been the Super form centres.

re the dynamic players yea we all know Barrett is on fire, like Carter in 2005. The other for dynamic players over the past few years or potential, NMS, Iaone, McKenzie, Naholo, Jordie, Laumape Proctor etc, mat not get a test?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/statscentre.cfm shows above plus Lowe, minus Iaone being most "dynamic". Barrett, Feki and surprisingly Jules Savea the current ABs with line breaks, meters etc. McKenzie leading most stats. Ardie Savea a foward in there. As I said, the most dynamic kiwi players may not play a test, cept Barrett. Only using observed games and line break, metres, off loads, players beaten data.

Re the PI back rowers, bro not glorifying Lauaki, but interesting how it all changes. 2005 we had Collins and Soialo in there dynamic best, with McCaw and Lauaki off the bench. We were brutal. Now the Lions of all teams have big Island back rowers. Vunipola, looks like a classic Tonga beast like Isi Maka, Lauaki, Kefu, Ofanguae, players we are use to off the back of kiwi and Island teams. And Vunipola looks the whole package.

capish.

How dare I say Faumuina is a good bench prop, Lauaki was a big Island back rower, Vunipola is a big good back rower and stats show our dynamic players mostly are back ups or out of the frame.

Bring on a good series, we shall see soon enough

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Goal kicking is a problem. I think Jordie Barrett will take that over before the year has ended.

Back row is world class, breakdown work is calculated, and they don't need to waste energy at every ruck.
Locks are the best in the world.
Props get through a ton of work in the loose, scrums are over rated nowadays.

Back 3 we have many riches. Savea is in the shape of his life. BS finished the test season as the best FB in the game imho, and possibly our best winger as well. Dagg, NMS, Jordie Barrett, Naholo. Then there's a heap of players to choose from. We do like to have 2 specialist FBs on at the same time, hence my harping on about JB.

Centers are our weakness as we don't really know who they are. ALB is a dead cert after last year, but who will be with him? Crotty probably, which isn't bad, but as you said, it's no CS/Nonu.

In all honesty we have no glaring weaknesses, just things that aren't as good as others.

The propping styles of NZ vrs GB and Irish will be awesome.
Does the high workrate, breakdown, skillfull defensive kiwi vrs the rumbling maul, set piece scrum rolling maul and huge impact kiwi bench, bench lead by Faumuina sorry FMYs) this will be a great battle of strength skill and opposing styles almost.

Centres will be an interesting development

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Stockholm Blue wrote:
Big And Dull wrote:
The All Blacks weaknesses and vulnerability?????

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Thats the English and Lions init?

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So by the look of it, we have no weaknesses and Super teams and AB's are gonna thrash the Lions?

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besides our debate :D
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