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What was the secret to Wales' relative success in 2008-13? 
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Post What was the secret to Wales' relative success in 2008-13?
And what has changed? (Or not, as it maybe). It is a travesty that a team that regularly competed at the top of the Six Nations for so many years slumps to fifth place.


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Post Re: What was the secret to Wales' relative success in 2008-13?
England have got better, Ireland have got better, Scotland have got better.

France have also got a bit better.


Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:07 am
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Post Re: What was the secret to Wales' relative success in 2008-13?
Wales haven't got any better than between the years 2008-2013. They were a better team then but it was also magnified by a largely feeble England team and shambolic French and Scottish teams.


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Post Re: What was the secret to Wales' relative success in 2008-13?
The players were better

During that era we could also pick Jenkins, Hibbard. Adam jones, Ian Evans, Ryan Jones, mike Phillips and Shane Williams

The players we have at the moment are fairly average


Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:11 am
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Post Re: What was the secret to Wales' relative success in 2008-13?
tyleri82 wrote:
Wales haven't got any better than between the years 2008-2013. They were a better team then but it was also magnified by a largely feeble England team and shambolic French and Scottish teams.


Only the bit about the Scottish team I'd agree with. England and (before 2012) France were decent in the 6N even back then.


Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:13 am
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Post Re: What was the secret to Wales' relative success in 2008-13?
AverageBBCjournalist wrote:
The players were better

During that era we could also pick Jenkins, Hibbard. Adam jones, Ian Evans, Ryan Jones, mike Phillips and Shane Williams

The players we have at the moment are fairly average


Most of the current squad, except for the scrum-halves and the props, emerged around the 2011 RWC when Wales seemed to be at their peak.


Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:14 am
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Post Re: What was the secret to Wales' relative success in 2008-13?
Webb- average?
Sam Warburton- average?
Justin Tipuric- average?
Leigh Halfpenny- average?
George North- average?
Alun Wyn-Jones- average?
Toby Faletau- average?
Liam Williams- average?

I don't think the team is largely average is it. That's not the problem.


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Post Re: What was the secret to Wales' relative success in 2008-13?
AverageBBCjournalist wrote:
The players were better

During that era we could also pick Jenkins, Hibbard. Adam jones, Ian Evans, Ryan Jones, mike Phillips and Shane Williams

The players we have at the moment are fairly average


Agree with the front row (could still pick hibbard though), but not the general comment of that we had better players. We won a grand slam in 2012 and the championship in 2013 without shane williams, ryan jones and ian evans.

The coaches just haven't developed our attacking game at all since that period, if not made it worse.
To quote Einstein - 'Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results'


Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:21 am
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Post Re: What was the secret to Wales' relative success in 2008-13?
There has been a slight rule change, first off in the scrum that does not seem to suit our style, and loose ball rules that work against us.

Also, we have lost some individual flair players. At the moment it seems to be Webb and North, with a very occasional Biggar solo act that gets results. They seemed to happen every game before.

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Post Re: What was the secret to Wales' relative success in 2008-13?
najbritcol wrote:
AverageBBCjournalist wrote:
The players were better

During that era we could also pick Jenkins, Hibbard. Adam jones, Ian Evans, Ryan Jones, mike Phillips and Shane Williams

The players we have at the moment are fairly average


Most of the current squad, except for the scrum-halves and the props, emerged around the 2011 RWC when Wales seemed to be at their peak.


Exactly some key retirements (e.g Adam jones, Shane etc) the ageing and natural decline of players who have been around for a few years, lack of new quality players coming through to either replace those who have retired or bench the ones who have declined


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Post Re: What was the secret to Wales' relative success in 2008-13?
AverageBBCjournalist wrote:
najbritcol wrote:
AverageBBCjournalist wrote:
The players were better

During that era we could also pick Jenkins, Hibbard. Adam jones, Ian Evans, Ryan Jones, mike Phillips and Shane Williams

The players we have at the moment are fairly average


Most of the current squad, except for the scrum-halves and the props, emerged around the 2011 RWC when Wales seemed to be at their peak.


Exactly some key retirements (e.g Adam jones, Shane etc) the ageing and natural decline of players who have been around for a few years, lack of new quality players coming through to either replace those who have retired or bench the ones who have declined


Rob Evans and Samson Lee may not quite be the new Adam Jones and Gethin Jenkins, but they are solid enough. Nicky Smith will also get better with time. As for the backs, I still think that it is decidedly premature to bring on Keelan Giles and Ashton Hewitt (maybe in one or two seasons time?) but at least the management should look at Ashley Beck, Steff Evans, Aled Davies and also starting Sam Davies would be good.


Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:29 am
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Post Re: What was the secret to Wales' relative success in 2008-13?
najbritcol wrote:
AverageBBCjournalist wrote:
najbritcol wrote:
AverageBBCjournalist wrote:
The players were better

During that era we could also pick Jenkins, Hibbard. Adam jones, Ian Evans, Ryan Jones, mike Phillips and Shane Williams

The players we have at the moment are fairly average


Most of the current squad, except for the scrum-halves and the props, emerged around the 2011 RWC when Wales seemed to be at their peak.


Exactly some key retirements (e.g Adam jones, Shane etc) the ageing and natural decline of players who have been around for a few years, lack of new quality players coming through to either replace those who have retired or bench the ones who have declined


Rob Evans and Samson Lee may not quite be the new Adam Jones and Gethin Jenkins, but they are solid enough. Nicky Smith will also get better with time. As for the backs, I still think that it is decidedly premature to bring on Keelan Giles and Ashton Hewitt (maybe in one or two seasons time?) but at least the management should look at Ashley Beck, Steff Evans, Aled Davies and also starting Sam Davies would be good.


There may be a cyclical element with the front five forwards but they weren't good today. I think it is time to look st some new backs


Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:32 am
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Post Re: What was the secret to Wales' relative success in 2008-13?
Still don't get why they persist to pick roberts on the bench. Only covers one position and not really an explosive player to come on.

Imagine having beck on the bench today to replace one of the centres.


Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:48 am
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Post Re: What was the secret to Wales' relative success in 2008-13?
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Still don't get why they persist to pick roberts on the bench. Only covers one position and not really an explosive player to come on.

Imagine having beck on the bench today to replace one of the centres.



They would need a player to cover him though.

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Post Re: What was the secret to Wales' relative success in 2008-13?
tyleri82 wrote:
Webb- average?
Sam Warburton- average?
Justin Tipuric- average?
Leigh Halfpenny- average?
George North- average?
Alun Wyn-Jones- average?
Toby Faletau- average?
Liam Williams- average?

I don't think the team is largely average is it. That's not the problem.
They were certainly average yesterday


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