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The forwards have generally been good. The main problem is with the backs. This could have been the chance to get Sam Davies to start and Steff Evans on the wing (at least on the bench if not starting). Once Ashley Beck properly recovers from his injury and fitness issues, which is still uncertain, he should get a recall.


God help us if we are hoping for an injury free Beck. He is a journeyman who is slow and has nothing particular special about him!

We just have poor players. Scott Williams is so poor and loses the ball in contact. Biggar is totally one dimensional. Our back row is unbalanced - Warburton, Moriarty and Faletau should start with Tipuric off the bench for impact when the game breaks up. PICK THE BEST COMBINATION NOT THE BEST PLAYERS! Halfpenny adds little in attack but to be fair he does what he does exceptionally well - so can't fault him too much albeit it was a bit embarrassing watching him caught by a hooker in the 2nd half. Liam Wlliams - I don't think he is doing much.

Lions players - maybe Owens, Wyn-Jones, Warburton, Webb, North (and perhaps Jonathan Davies). I don't think anyone else should be picked.

As far as the team is concerned - only North would play and Webb maybe gets shaded by Conor Murrary?

As I stated on another forum - GOD HELP THE LIONS WITH HOWLEY AS ATTACK COACH!


I agree that Scott Williams was not at his best today, with his ball retention and passing being poor. But he was the form centre coming into this campaign and the way Wales use him has lead to his poor performances.
If you are going to use him as a crash ball option off every set piece then you might as well pick doc at 12 and either pick foxy or S.williams at 13.
If you watch S.Williams for the scarlets he is a different player, with 2 MOM performances against Saracens and Toulon. Look how they used him against Ireland, Webb puts him in space, goes through, offloads and a try is scored. This should be done constantly, but was done once against Ireland and then left him running into brick walls the rest of the campaign.
Beck is a good player and should have been in this squad but due to the insane loyalty the coaches have for 'past it players' it wont happen.

The coaches must be changed along with a change of attitude. If you don't play well you should be dropped for the next game, that's how eddie jones operates with joseph being a prime example last week.

The coaches would rather pick liam williams out of position than drop 1/2p and pick steff evans or giles.

I agree that the forwards have played well this tournament, ken owens been on fire, and our backrow has nullified the opposition two weeks in a row. Still feel that we are short in props, especially since samson has taken a backward step.

This is the backline I would go with:
Webb, S.davies, 1/2p, Biggar, S.williams, North, liam williams

L.williams at full back will change our game with counter attacking now an option, biggar is good enough defensively to play 12 and can allow better distribution, a flatter line with S.davies at 10, and an extra kicking option.

But of course, this won't happen and the same team will get picked until the media and fans start to get on a particular player's back and ruin another career, with it already happening twice with preistland and cuthbert.


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Wales inability to go wide when it's on is absolutely breathtaking. We're butchering 3 on 2s and 4 on 3s a dozen times a game. Sort it out.


Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:16 pm
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Funny how the Ospreys are currently rivalled only by Leinster in having the best attack this season in the Pro 12, yet those same players become much more conservative and afraid of the white line when playing for Wales. Differences in coaching maybe?


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Funny how the Ospreys are currently rivalled only by Leinster in having the best attack this season in the Pro 12, yet those same players become much more conservative and afraid of the white line when playing for Wales. Differences in coaching maybe?


Different attack coach, very different 12. The differences between how the two are set up is stark.


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Funny how the Ospreys are currently rivalled only by Leinster in having the best attack this season in the Pro 12, yet those same players become much more conservative and afraid of the white line when playing for Wales. Differences in coaching maybe?


Yes this is bang on, the ospreys have got 12 bonus points out of 17 games this season and this is a team with matavesi, dan evans and dirksen. So you would think that with better players with wales it would be even better.

But no, we were outscored by everyone except italy which shows that we didn't deserve to be anywhere near the top of the table.

It also doesn't help that Wales change their backs coach every 5 minutes. You can see that nearly every ruck is coached, which is why we run out of ideas by the 10th phase and can't break teams down.

The players just need a licence to look up, communicate with eachother and go for gaps/take people on/go round people, not look for contact and try and smash your way to the try line.

Will not change though until the coaches are changed, still can't believe mcbryde is still there, he must be blackmailing the entire WRU.


Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:44 pm
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The standard is a significant step up and i don't think you can really compare the ospreys in the pro 12 and international rugby

That said the attack is dire, lacking ideas, creativity, accuracy, just terrible

No tries and Wales lose, outscored on tries against Scotland and England. Second from bottom in the six nations they need to look at doing something else


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Funny how the Ospreys are currently rivalled only by Leinster in having the best attack this season in the Pro 12, yet those same players become much more conservative and afraid of the white line when playing for Wales. Differences in coaching maybe?


Yes this is bang on, the ospreys have got 12 bonus points out of 17 games this season and this is a team with matavesi, dan evans and dirksen. So you would think that with better players with wales it would be even better.

But no, we were outscored by everyone except italy which shows that we didn't deserve to be anywhere near the top of the table.

It also doesn't help that Wales change their backs coach every 5 minutes. You can see that nearly every ruck is coached, which is why we run out of ideas by the 10th phase and can't break teams down.

The players just need a licence to look up, communicate with eachother and go for gaps/take people on/go round people, not look for contact and try and smash your way to the try line.

Will not change though until the coaches are changed, still can't believe mcbryde is still there, he must be blackmailing the entire WRU.


In fairness, Wales scored three tries to nil against an Ireland team who themselves kept England tryless today. But otherwise, good points.


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The standard is a significant step up and i don't think you can really compare the ospreys in the pro 12 and international rugby

That said the attack is dire, lacking ideas, creativity, accuracy, just terrible

No tries and Wales lose, outscored on tries against Scotland and England. Second from bottom in the six nations they need to look at doing something else


Leinster make up a plurality of the Irish players, while Ospreys make up a plurality of the Welsh players. The fact that the former translate their good club form into their international performances more than the latter do must be in part due to coaching.


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najbritcol wrote:
AverageBBCjournalist wrote:
The standard is a significant step up and i don't think you can really compare the ospreys in the pro 12 and international rugby

That said the attack is dire, lacking ideas, creativity, accuracy, just terrible

No tries and Wales lose, outscored on tries against Scotland and England. Second from bottom in the six nations they need to look at doing something else


Leinster make up a plurality of the Irish players, while Ospreys make up a plurality of the Welsh players. The fact that the former translate their good club form into their international performances more than the latter do must be in part due to coaching.


Leinster have also proved it in Europe... so it's not just their pro 12 form but their European experience. Nicky smith has been great for the ospreys domestically but smashed at international level in the scrum.... complete liability and Evans had to play 80 mins today.


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najbritcol wrote:
WelshRuby93 wrote:
najbritcol wrote:
Funny how the Ospreys are currently rivalled only by Leinster in having the best attack this season in the Pro 12, yet those same players become much more conservative and afraid of the white line when playing for Wales. Differences in coaching maybe?


Yes this is bang on, the ospreys have got 12 bonus points out of 17 games this season and this is a team with matavesi, dan evans and dirksen. So you would think that with better players with wales it would be even better.

But no, we were outscored by everyone except italy which shows that we didn't deserve to be anywhere near the top of the table.

It also doesn't help that Wales change their backs coach every 5 minutes. You can see that nearly every ruck is coached, which is why we run out of ideas by the 10th phase and can't break teams down.

The players just need a licence to look up, communicate with eachother and go for gaps/take people on/go round people, not look for contact and try and smash your way to the try line.

Will not change though until the coaches are changed, still can't believe mcbryde is still there, he must be blackmailing the entire WRU.


In fairness, Wales scored three tries to nil against an Ireland team who themselves kept England tryless today. But otherwise, good points.


Yes, but using that logic it makes it look worse. We scored 1 try against scotland, then England followed that up by scoring 7 tries against the same defence.

I'm not blaming the players as you can see they're commitment with the defence at the end.
But surely even the WRU can see the problems which coincides with no change in the main coaching team since 2008. Also it seems as if players that weren't in the 2011 world cup squad have to perform magic tricks to make the starting 15.


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It was a horrible game today, two bad teams, a awful reffing performance, nasty cynicism, but the "bring in the kids" call is not the answer.

Why would you want to swap players who by and large played very well against England and Ireland for a load of unproven players. I think it's about the top two inches and the preparation for the game.

I think that's a coaching issue more than anything.

All the idiot calls for a more attacking game when we don't have the players or the strategy to execute it, is just a death wish.

I think Gatland has been good for Wales, except for his loyalty to the coaching team - Left to their own devices they are not producing a winning team or rather they are turning a winning team into a loosing team.

If you don't think a clued up coach makes a difference to the team, look at the transformations at England, Ireland and Scotland - I rest my case


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Finishing 5th in the table is pretty bad isn't it.

History will show this tournament to be a resounding failure.


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Only positive is howley won't be getting the job


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Only positive is howley won't be getting the job


This is where I don't get the WRU, why give him this chance, when he is going to new zealand with his pal warren instead of going with wales on their summer tour and developing our own young talent.
Shows that he only cares about his personal CV rather than the interest of the national team.
In saying that, Wales might actually attack better with the regional coaches in charge of the backs rather than himself!
What a shambles


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AverageBBCjournalist wrote:
Only positive is howley won't be getting the job


This is where I don't get the WRU, why give him this chance, when he is going to new zealand with his pal warren instead of going with wales on their summer tour and developing our own young talent.
Shows that he only cares about his personal CV rather than the interest of the national team.
In saying that, Wales might actually attack better with the regional coaches in charge of the backs rather than himself!
What a shambles


Nope, Danny Wilson and Matt Sherrat or whatever his name is from the Blues are going. The Blues!! Stephan Jones also going. I've said this a few times but the Ospreys coaches, in particular Gruff Rhys are the only ones fulfilling their terms of references this season, so naturally they aren't going on tour.


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