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If the dice is to be rolled on the coaching front then it should be in time for the new coach to go on the summer tour. I doubt it will happen though, as I think the Union will have to wait to see what Gatland decides post Lions.


GAtland is due back until 2019. mcbryde is head coach for the south seas tour so we have no choice in the matter, sadly.



Mcbryde, a forwards coach whose forwards cannot scrum effectively except against the very weakest of opposition, to whom the lineout - which should be a 'gimme' these days - is still a lottery and who seemingly finds it impossible to coach professional players in the effective use (and defence of) the rolling maul.

Yeah, that should go well then.

Pay him off, whatever it takes and I mean whatever, and get someone who actually knows what's required these days, it'll be well worth it in the long run whatever the cost.


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Can't pay any of them off

The 'regions' need the money to qualify for a tournament where they are effectively ballast.

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tom21 wrote:
If the dice is to be rolled on the coaching front then it should be in time for the new coach to go on the summer tour. I doubt it will happen though, as I think the Union will have to wait to see what Gatland decides post Lions.


GAtland is due back until 2019. mcbryde is head coach for the south seas tour so we have no choice in the matter, sadly.



Mcbryde, a forwards coach whose forwards cannot scrum effectively except against the very weakest of opposition, to whom the lineout - which should be a 'gimme' these days - is still a lottery and who seemingly finds it impossible to coach professional players in the effective use (and defence of) the rolling maul.

Yeah, that should go well then.

Pay him off, whatever it takes and I mean whatever, and get someone who actually knows what's required these days, it'll be well worth it in the long run whatever the cost.


Not wanting to stick up for McBryde but I can't see how the lineout is any easier now than it ever has been.

The linout is an important part of a game. And teams will spend a similar amount tine trying to win an opponent lineout as their own. All teams are always trying to win.


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I know merging is completely unacceptable to some, but if your club is putting out a few sides they don't have too.

Its the serial cancellers we have to look at.

I know a guy at a club back home who when I had this conversation with says 340 clubs is not sustainable, when I asked what number does he think would be he said 200.

if he is right, no idea if he is, we are over subscribed by one third.

Its scary.


How well do you know Swansea? Either way, what did you think of my proposed mergers?


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Isn't it mostly about bringing individual skills to the highest level rather than structure?

There was nothing wrong with the strategy on Saturday, it put us in lots of great attacking positions. We kept losing the ball in contact, dropping the ball or knocking on under pressure.

We need players who can execute skills at high tempo, does that require root and branch reform of the system?


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Isn't it mostly about bringing individual skills to the highest level rather than structure?

There was nothing wrong with the strategy on Saturday, it put us in lots of great attacking positions. We kept losing the ball in contact, dropping the ball or knocking on under pressure.

We need players who can execute skills at high tempo, does that require root and branch reform of the system?


So to put it simply: the theory was right, but the practice was not?


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Isn't it mostly about bringing individual skills to the highest level rather than structure?

There was nothing wrong with the strategy on Saturday, it put us in lots of great attacking positions. We kept losing the ball in contact, dropping the ball or knocking on under pressure.

We need players who can execute skills at high tempo, does that require root and branch reform of the system?


So to put it simply: the theory was right, but the practice was not?


That is how it looked to me, for what that is worth ... when you are tackled, don't drop it. When you receive a pass, catch it.


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Fids the Blindside wrote:
I know merging is completely unacceptable to some, but if your club is putting out a few sides they don't have too.

Its the serial cancellers we have to look at.

I know a guy at a club back home who when I had this conversation with says 340 clubs is not sustainable, when I asked what number does he think would be he said 200.

if he is right, no idea if he is, we are over subscribed by one third.

Its scary.


How well do you know Swansea? Either way, what did you think of my proposed mergers?


How many of those sides struggle to get a side out?

The mergers should be between struggling sides

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Fids the Blindside wrote:
najbritcol wrote:
Fids the Blindside wrote:
I know merging is completely unacceptable to some, but if your club is putting out a few sides they don't have too.

Its the serial cancellers we have to look at.

I know a guy at a club back home who when I had this conversation with says 340 clubs is not sustainable, when I asked what number does he think would be he said 200.

if he is right, no idea if he is, we are over subscribed by one third.

Its scary.


How well do you know Swansea? Either way, what did you think of my proposed mergers?


How many of those sides struggle to get a side out?

The mergers should be between struggling sides


You need more than one team in Wales though!


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Fids the Blindside wrote:
najbritcol wrote:
Fids the Blindside wrote:
I know merging is completely unacceptable to some, but if your club is putting out a few sides they don't have too.

Its the serial cancellers we have to look at.

I know a guy at a club back home who when I had this conversation with says 340 clubs is not sustainable, when I asked what number does he think would be he said 200.

if he is right, no idea if he is, we are over subscribed by one third.

Its scary.


How well do you know Swansea? Either way, what did you think of my proposed mergers?


How many of those sides struggle to get a side out?

The mergers should be between struggling sides


I'm not sure about 'struggling to get a side out', as I was basing it on geographic proximity. However, based on league positions, Gorseinon are stronger than Loughor, Waunarlwydd are stronger than Gowerton, Pontarddulais are stronger than Hendy, the gap between Dunvant (once a Welsh Premiership side) and Swansea Uplands is enormous, Morriston are stronger than Vardre, Bonymaen are stronger than Penlan, Penclawdd are stronger than my beloved Mumbles and South Gower are stronger than Fall Bay.


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najbritcol wrote:
Fids the Blindside wrote:
najbritcol wrote:
Fids the Blindside wrote:
I know merging is completely unacceptable to some, but if your club is putting out a few sides they don't have too.

Its the serial cancellers we have to look at.

I know a guy at a club back home who when I had this conversation with says 340 clubs is not sustainable, when I asked what number does he think would be he said 200.

if he is right, no idea if he is, we are over subscribed by one third.

Its scary.


How well do you know Swansea? Either way, what did you think of my proposed mergers?


How many of those sides struggle to get a side out?

The mergers should be between struggling sides


I'm not sure about 'struggling to get a side out', as I was basing it on geographic proximity. However, based on league positions, Gorseinon are stronger than Loughor, Waunarlwydd are stronger than Gowerton, Pontarddulais are stronger than Hendy, the gap between Dunvant (once a Welsh Premiership side) and Swansea Uplands is enormous, Morriston are stronger than Vardre, Bonymaen are stronger than Penlan, Penclawdd are stronger than my beloved Mumbles and South Gower are stronger than Fall Bay.


Your comparisons are relative though as all of them are shit! :D


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Cymru am byth wrote:
najbritcol wrote:
Fids the Blindside wrote:
najbritcol wrote:
Fids the Blindside wrote:
I know merging is completely unacceptable to some, but if your club is putting out a few sides they don't have too.

Its the serial cancellers we have to look at.

I know a guy at a club back home who when I had this conversation with says 340 clubs is not sustainable, when I asked what number does he think would be he said 200.

if he is right, no idea if he is, we are over subscribed by one third.

Its scary.


How well do you know Swansea? Either way, what did you think of my proposed mergers?


How many of those sides struggle to get a side out?

The mergers should be between struggling sides


I'm not sure about 'struggling to get a side out', as I was basing it on geographic proximity. However, based on league positions, Gorseinon are stronger than Loughor, Waunarlwydd are stronger than Gowerton, Pontarddulais are stronger than Hendy, the gap between Dunvant (once a Welsh Premiership side) and Swansea Uplands is enormous, Morriston are stronger than Vardre, Bonymaen are stronger than Penlan, Penclawdd are stronger than my beloved Mumbles and South Gower are stronger than Fall Bay.


Your comparisons are relative though as all of them are shit! :D


You obviously don't like Welsh club/grassroots rugby then. Anyway, many of these team pairings are already in the same leagues as each other - the biggest outlier is the gap between Dunvant and Swansea Uplands, although even that may shrink over the next few years, given how the former are already due to be relegated back out of the Welsh Championship, while the latter have been rising up the ranks year after year.


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najbritcol wrote:
Cymru am byth wrote:
najbritcol wrote:
Fids the Blindside wrote:
najbritcol wrote:
Fids the Blindside wrote:
I know merging is completely unacceptable to some, but if your club is putting out a few sides they don't have too.

Its the serial cancellers we have to look at.

I know a guy at a club back home who when I had this conversation with says 340 clubs is not sustainable, when I asked what number does he think would be he said 200.

if he is right, no idea if he is, we are over subscribed by one third.

Its scary.


How well do you know Swansea? Either way, what did you think of my proposed mergers?


How many of those sides struggle to get a side out?

The mergers should be between struggling sides


I'm not sure about 'struggling to get a side out', as I was basing it on geographic proximity. However, based on league positions, Gorseinon are stronger than Loughor, Waunarlwydd are stronger than Gowerton, Pontarddulais are stronger than Hendy, the gap between Dunvant (once a Welsh Premiership side) and Swansea Uplands is enormous, Morriston are stronger than Vardre, Bonymaen are stronger than Penlan, Penclawdd are stronger than my beloved Mumbles and South Gower are stronger than Fall Bay.


Your comparisons are relative though as all of them are shit! :D


You obviously don't like Welsh club/grassroots rugby then. Anyway, many of these team pairings are already in the same leagues as each other - the biggest outlier is the gap between Dunvant and Swansea Uplands, although even that may shrink over the next few years, given how the former are already due to be relegated back out of the Welsh Championship, while the latter have been rising up the ranks year after year.


I was joking!

The whole debate raises a lot of questions. On the face of it the table standings are one of the best ways of comparing teams and identifying the failing clubs and the decent ones. But then support, finance etc needs to be considered.


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Apart from looking at coaches across Welsh rugby, what about the referees, who after all are also the responsibility of the WRU? Seriously, some of the ones I've seen reffing Mumbles matches have been utterly clueless and arbitrary (for both teams).


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Apart from looking at coaches across Welsh rugby, what about the referees, who after all are also the responsibility of the WRU? Seriously, some of the ones I've seen reffing Mumbles matches have been utterly clueless and arbitrary (for both teams).


Yes I've seen them too!


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