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international rugby is about winning and we have been clinging on too long with Howley and his crew. Our line out continues to be a disgrace but we keep Mc Bryde in place??? Jobs for the boys. We cant defend properly and all we get is a grumpy response from Edwards. Howley repeats cliché after cliché and we just don't seem to make any progress. We stumbled against Japan in the autumn, beat a declining Sprinboks and England were below par against us. Yesterday was just a disgrace.
Lets get Dai Young in and remove the entire coaching staff and have a look at why we are producing losers. Look at what Pivac and Stephen JOnes are doing at the Scarlets...it can be done.
I'm pissed off with excuses and tonights BBC Scrum V will be another borealong with the pundits who drink and socialise with the players and coaches making pathetic excuses as usual.
god it was a bad day yesterday...


Sun Feb 26, 2017 9:15 am
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Post Re: Welsh rugby coaching set up has to change....
Big clearlut needed. Get rid of all the coaches....this Wales team needs serious mixing up. Backs are bloody awful.


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It will have to get worse, much worse. In the meantime as I said, NOTHING WILL CHANGE.


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Daf12 wrote:
Big clearlut needed. Get rid of all the coaches....this Wales team needs serious mixing up. Backs are bloody awful.

good post.

England did it with Lancaster...same players by and large but different, more ruthless approach. What do we do in Wales?
1 The commentators and critics (bar Gwyn Jones and more recently Peter JAckson) are too afraid to criticise their mates...Jiffy and Howley for example. Programmes like Scrum V are too timid and rather pathetic in their analysis...why have an audience? its a bear pit potentially but it never becomes so because the same tired lines are churned out again and again
2 The structure of Welsh rugby allows people like McBryde to keep their job...our line out and scrum continue to fail yet we keep the same coaches in place.
3 We CANT REALLY change the players as they are the ones we have got...but we need a different, CLEARER, less bullshit coach/coaches who tell it as it is. Gatland should NEVER have been given the Lions job.
4 Lets move on and sack the coaches now. its a professional job. They've had far too long. A coach only has a skelf life of about 5 years. Congrats to Gatland and his crew...great job you HAVE DONE. but we are now stale, challengless, leaderless and confused. Time to change and do it now.


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get rid of all the wales coaches except edwards , even time for gatland to go as its his game plan and the way the squad is prepared thats the problem. howley and mcbryde should not be in charge of a district side they are useless . our forwards are easily beaten in the set peice time and time again. our backs play is predictable . scotland showed us yesterday how backs should play attacking rugby wales are an embarresment


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get rid of all the wales coaches except edwards , even time for gatland to go as its his game plan and the way the squad is prepared thats the problem. howley and mcbryde should not be in charge of a district side they are useless . our forwards are easily beaten in the set peice time and time again. our backs play is predictable . scotland showed us yesterday how backs should play attacking rugby wales are an embarresment


good post.
not sure why Edwards should be retained...we need a complete clear out.
they've done a very good job but its as if we have stood still with this coaching set up.


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It will have to get worse, much worse. In the meantime as I said, NOTHING WILL CHANGE.


sadly, you are probably right...


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Sadly you miss the elephant in the room .... Welsh rugby structure is from under 7's to Senior level. If you structure is poor then changing the structure of the side at the top of the pyramid will have little effect. The international side reflects your development and your development is effected by your domestic structures and the quality of people involved at keys stages, that nurture skill development and continued participation the sport.

When you talk about changing the structures, you talk of changing a structure that effects no more than one squad of players. As the level below.... regional rugby is also poor, why would we think that would immediately change Welsh fortunes, the players dont exist. If you change the regions you must look at the level below... semi pro, The Premiership, the only thing premeir about it is the title. So to change that you look at the club scene.... on its knees ! So you look at your kid structures, in the main left to parent coaches until 15. But all this will be put right if you sack Howley and appoint Dai Young ? There are none so blind that will not see.

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Sadly you miss the elephant in the room .... Welsh rugby structure is from under 7's to Senior level. If you structure is poor then changing the structure of the side at the top of the pyramid will have little effect. The international side reflects your development and your development is effected by your domestic structures and the quality of people involved at keys stages, that nurture skill development and continued participation the sport.

When you talk about changing the structures, you talk of changing a structure that effects no more than one squad of players. As the level below.... regional rugby is also poor, why would we think that would immediately change Welsh fortunes, the players dont exist. If you change the regions you must look at the level below... semi pro, The Premiership, the only thing premeir about it is the title. So to change that you look at the club scene.... on its knees ! So you look at your kid structures, in the main left to parent coaches until 15. But all this will be put right if you sack Howley and appoint Dai Young ? There are none so blind that will not see.


I think ive said so on another thread BS but you are right. I'm not blind to any of that but we are dealing with international team which has VERY GOOD PLAYERS but they are stale. the points you make I agree with so I'm not so blind BS...can you tell me how it can improve then? your point about parent coaches is...that they are clearly not qualified?


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Sadly you miss the elephant in the room .... Welsh rugby structure is from under 7's to Senior level. If you structure is poor then changing the structure of the side at the top of the pyramid will have little effect. The international side reflects your development and your development is effected by your domestic structures and the quality of people involved at keys stages, that nurture skill development and continued participation the sport.

When you talk about changing the structures, you talk of changing a structure that effects no more than one squad of players. As the level below.... regional rugby is also poor, why would we think that would immediately change Welsh fortunes, the players dont exist. If you change the regions you must look at the level below... semi pro, The Premiership, the only thing premeir about it is the title. So to change that you look at the club scene.... on its knees ! So you look at your kid structures, in the main left to parent coaches until 15. But all this will be put right if you sack Howley and appoint Dai Young ? There are none so blind that will not see.


I think ive said so on another thread BS but you are right. I'm not blind to any of that but we are dealing with international team which has VERY GOOD PLAYERS but they are stale. the points you make I agree with so I'm not so blind BS...can you tell me how it can improve then? your point about parent coaches is...that they are clearly not qualified?



The point for me is this, do i think we are worst than Scotland ... NO but we lost. We should also have won against England, had we won both of those games, we would be in self congratulation mode. Now thats OK, but in reality we are not good enough and do not have the quality to expect to win these games regularly (neither do Scotland i think England probably do), yet we expect to for some reason :scratch:

If nothing about our structures and the way we hadle and respect player development is better, then with our population, it is clear we cannot expect to dominate sides, as we seem to expect. Regards parent coaching, i dont care what qualifications they have or certificates, they are given out like confetti... can they coach and how is their involvment guided . How do we identify and nurture talent. At present we pretty much dont until they are 15. I think that is madness.

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Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:34 am
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We aren't going to win games consistently because the style pof play that the coaching team are obsessed wih requires the players to play at their very best to get results against the top teams. Of course, the team has to play well to get a W most of them, that goes without saying, but the crash bang wallop style of play falls to pieces when we are a bit short of our best, and as we've all said over the past few years, there's never any sign of a plan B. Quite a few things nedd to change, but let's start with the coaches.


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Blindside wrote:
Sadly you miss the elephant in the room .... Welsh rugby structure is from under 7's to Senior level. If you structure is poor then changing the structure of the side at the top of the pyramid will have little effect. The international side reflects your development and your development is effected by your domestic structures and the quality of people involved at keys stages, that nurture skill development and continued participation the sport.

When you talk about changing the structures, you talk of changing a structure that effects no more than one squad of players. As the level below.... regional rugby is also poor, why would we think that would immediately change Welsh fortunes, the players dont exist. If you change the regions you must look at the level below... semi pro, The Premiership, the only thing premeir about it is the title. So to change that you look at the club scene.... on its knees ! So you look at your kid structures, in the main left to parent coaches until 15. But all this will be put right if you sack Howley and appoint Dai Young ? There are none so blind that will not see.


Agree, and all are valid points. But, and here's the rub. To change the structure, you need people who are of the mind to do that, and have the will and inclination to process the change. But despite what is written here about the state of the game by people like yourself, at the coal face. The power brokers at the top of the structure, are seen spouting a totally different line in the media, where everything in the garden is rosy. When in fact the fupping garden is full of weeds. Replacing the coaches and some players will, I do believe get us back on track, but only to a certain level. If we want to seriously improve, some tough decisions need to be taken about the structure from top to bottom. Its a tough one this loss, but it's been coming, and I think we haven't hit the bottom yet either.

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Yeah, I think we have further to fall. The other home sides all seem to be evolving and improving, but we aren't.


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Sadly you miss the elephant in the room .... Welsh rugby structure is from under 7's to Senior level. If you structure is poor then changing the structure of the side at the top of the pyramid will have little effect. The international side reflects your development and your development is effected by your domestic structures and the quality of people involved at keys stages, that nurture skill development and continued participation the sport.

When you talk about changing the structures, you talk of changing a structure that effects no more than one squad of players. As the level below.... regional rugby is also poor, why would we think that would immediately change Welsh fortunes, the players dont exist. If you change the regions you must look at the level below... semi pro, The Premiership, the only thing premeir about it is the title. So to change that you look at the club scene.... on its knees ! So you look at your kid structures, in the main left to parent coaches until 15. But all this will be put right if you sack Howley and appoint Dai Young ? There are none so blind that will not see.


Agree, and all are valid points. But, and here's the rub. To change the structure, you need people who are of the mind to do that, and have the will and inclination to process the change. But despite what is written here about the state of the game by people like yourself, at the coal face. The power brokers at the top of the structure, are seen spouting a totally different line in the media, where everything in the garden is rosy. When in fact the fupping garden is full of weeds. Replacing the coaches and some players will, I do believe get us back on track, but only to a certain level. If we want to seriously improve, some tough decisions need to be taken about the structure from top to bottom. Its a tough one this loss, but it's been coming, and I think we haven't hit the bottom yet either.


Spot on... and it may well be time for changes at Welsh coaching level :dontknow:

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On a slight tangent, I used to bang on about Wales being too defence oriented and lacking in attacking vision. I put that down to Howley not having enough influence under Gatlin and his favourite.

Howley is now in charge though ain't he? So why no change but regression?

I really haven't a clue but it is most odd.


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