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Post Scrum Front Row Mismatch
Very Often our Front row is heavily mismatched and we are not sure how to get the best out of our arrangement.

Our front row consists of 3 players who are 5 ft 7" 18 stone , 5 ft 5 16 stone, 5 ft 7 18 stone.

We are all quite flexible and as a result we can almost get 1 ft lower than our counterparts who tend to be about 20 stone 6 footers.

More often than not they wont come down to our level and the referee forces our side up thus giving away our advantage.

Is there anything anyone can recommend ??


Wed Jan 08, 2014 3:54 pm
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Free beer for the ref for a month?


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What is happening after the engage, you bettering the opposition are having problems. What age group are you, senior ? Youth ?

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Wed Jan 08, 2014 4:03 pm
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Senior players, Most engages goto ground because we are much lower than the opposition. Eventually the referee gets sick of it and brings us up higher but why should we give away our advantage it makes no sense the way the refs treat us ?

With the new laws we are dominating when a scrum is low and stays up

We prefer to be a mobile small pack rather than the big heffers you see in our league.

Is there any law regards scummaging which implies both teams need to engage at an equal height and whos responsibility that is ?


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Although you are smaller you shouldnt be fixate on keeping low IMO, come up on the engage the ref will want to see you driving from a low position upwards, this is fine, you can drive up but from underneath your opponent. Particularly if you are loosehead come up and slightly across into the sternum of the tight head. Your aim is to drive forward and up to disrupt the TH by getting the back of your head under his sternum not under his armpit, use the muscles in your neck to push the back of your head into his chest. So try to engage under his chest and keep him up if your short. The further down you drive the further you have to come back up, needing a stronger bind and more strength and will result in more collapsed scrums. If the TH can pin you down he is happy.

TH also engage low and stop the LH getting under you then drive towards the 8 to split the hooker from the LH and get the LH under your outer arm instead of your chest.

Your height advantage should be to get under the opposition and raise them so the force is dissipated.

Just my opinion :)

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Post Re: Scrum Front Row Mismatch
Bouch wrote:
Free beer for the ref for a month?

SCRUMS SIMPLIFIED
There has been no effectual changes to the scrum downs. The idea that the hooker needs to be jammed farther forwardto reach the ball was created initially over 120 years ago. At that time there were as many as 5 or 6 per side in front row.The only purpose this serves present day is to create an unnecessary pressure point. From that center point the front row can be pushed, pulled and twisted left, right, up or down. The clear alternative to this is in fact already in the law book under front row binding. Have the hooker come in under the props in support of front row; and not to a convex point:
But rather slightly concave. In other words the hooker will not throw his arms over and around the props as
they set up for scrum but the opposite. The props wrap over and around the hooker. There are several other advantages to this: For example the hooker is has more freedom not just to protect himself but also easier to engage his rearbumpers / locks or not his preference. This improved method not only lessens the wheel and/or collapse but relieves much pressure off tight head and hooker. I played for 34 years - 31 as a hooker. Don't be so quick to condemn or ridicule before trying it. I've done it-It Works just fine.
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Blindside wrote:
you can drive up but from underneath your opponent.


^therin lies the key. Get under 'em and hoist 'em high.


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Grand Moff Wilhuff Tarkin wrote:
Blindside wrote:
you can drive up but from underneath your opponent.


^therin lies the key. Get under 'em and hoist 'em high.


I've seen more than one referee penalise a front row for pushing upwards in the last couple of years.

When that happens, you need to have a soothing beer.

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Bouch wrote:
Grand Moff Wilhuff Tarkin wrote:
Blindside wrote:
you can drive up but from underneath your opponent.


^therin lies the key. Get under 'em and hoist 'em high.


I've seen more than one referee penalise a front row for pushing upwards in the last couple of years.

When that happens, you need to have a soothing beer.

:angry4:



If you get your head under his chest and drive forward (and up) then it appears OK to the ref. THAt is the trick :)

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Chris ScumV wrote:
Bouch wrote:
Grand Moff Wilhuff Tarkin wrote:
Blindside wrote:
you can drive up but from underneath your opponent.


^therin lies the key. Get under 'em and hoist 'em high.


I've seen more than one referee penalise a front row for pushing upwards in the last couple of years.

When that happens, you need to have a soothing beer.

:angry4:



If you get your head under his chest and drive forward (and up) then it appears OK to the ref. THAt is the trick :)


Too complicated for me, Chris.

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Chris ScumV wrote:
Bouch wrote:
Grand Moff Wilhuff Tarkin wrote:
Blindside wrote:
you can drive up but from underneath your opponent.


^therin lies the key. Get under 'em and hoist 'em high.


I've seen more than one referee penalise a front row for pushing upwards in the last couple of years.

When that happens, you need to have a soothing beer.

:angry4:



If you get your head under his chest and drive forward (and up) then it appears OK to the ref. THAt is the trick :)




You must have thought about that one for a while !!!! 13 months :shock:

How did that thread pop back up :D

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Post Re: Scrum Front Row Mismatch
Blindside wrote:
Chris ScumV wrote:
Bouch wrote:
Grand Moff Wilhuff Tarkin wrote:
Blindside wrote:
you can drive up but from underneath your opponent.


^therin lies the key. Get under 'em and hoist 'em high.


I've seen more than one referee penalise a front row for pushing upwards in the last couple of years.

When that happens, you need to have a soothing beer.

:angry4:



If you get your head under his chest and drive forward (and up) then it appears OK to the ref. THAt is the trick :)




You must have thought about that one for a while !!!! 13 months :shock:

How did that thread pop back up :D

Only 1 month old fella. :D

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Post Re: Scrum Front Row Mismatch
Just pretend you're a plain taking off!

Simples init

Just don't make the engine noises, you might get a funny look :D


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Any consideration and empathy I might have sails right over the head of men 5'7" or shorter.

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:D


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