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Recen contention between players and Union regarding # games, threatened strike etc has raised the spectre of a 10 team League with 2 relegated to achieve it ....

Reference in french and unavailable at the mo

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Tony Panties wrote:
Recen contention between players and Union regarding # games, threatened strike etc has raised the spectre of a 10 team League with 2 relegated to achieve it ....

Reference in french and unavailable at the mo


The Guardian mentioned it earlier in the week.

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Reducing the Premiership to 10 teams is one of a host of ideas being floated as a potential solution to the continuing dispute over the length of the domestic season, which has led to the threat of a player strike. It is understood the proposal also includes the possibility of a 10-team Championship coming under the jurisdiction of Premiership Rugby Limited – the second tier is currently run by the Rugby Football Union – and, in theory, a more even distribution of funds across the two divisions.

Cutting two teams from the Premiership is just one of a number of suggestions for restructuring the domestic game – the main focus at Wednesday’s Professional Game Board meeting. The proposals come amid a row over the Premiership’s plans to extend its season to 10 months as part of the new-look global calendar, which will apply from 2020.

A number of high-profile Premiership players, including Billy Vunipola, have expressed concerns there are currently too many matches in the calendar, with strike action raised as a possibility. A 10-team Premiership would, however, reduce the number of matches played and likely reduce the number of weekends where Premiership matches clash with internationals, which is the clubs’ major concern.

This month Saracens have lost four matches in a row for the first time since 2010, with Owen Farrell, Mako Vunipola, Maro Itoje, Jamie George, George Kruis, Alex Lozowski and Nick Isiekwe away with England for all or some of the autumn international series.

Ring-fencing the Premiership has also been raised as a solution, though to do so with 12 teams is difficult because some of its shares are held by clubs in the Championship. Proposals for a 13- or 14-team Premiership have also been raised but that would only increase fears over player welfare. Reducing the Premiership to 10 teams would not at first seem an attractive proposal to the shareholders either but it is thought that a better distribution of finances, a significantly more competitive second tier and a two up, two down promotion/relegation system would help to allay fears. It would also suit the Championship clubs who have promotion aspirations but fear the Premiership is already, in effect, ring-fenced with the relegated team from the top flight at a huge advantage to bounce straight back up, as Bristol are expected to do this season and as London Irish did last term.


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The PGB meeting is expected to be lively, with the salary cap, player wages, the glut of injuries suffered in the early months of the season and the A League all currently contentious issues. A number of A League matches have been postponed this season while a host of clubs have had to call on guest players to fill teams. The A League was expanded at the start of the season from five to 10 matches for each side and the Premiership wants it to increase further to 22 – a response to Nigel Melville’s “buddying plan”, designed to partner top-flight clubs with second- and third-tier teams and increase the number of dual registered players between them.

With injuries taking hold, however, the Premiership clubs have seen their squads stretched even further because wage demands are rising higher than the salary cap – which is due to be frozen for the next two seasons – and that, in turn, has led to a shrinking of squads, accelerating calls to remodel the current structure in England.


All this talk of cutting teams might spook any potential buyers of Worcester, wasn't the SRU mentioned at one time?


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Injuries are really a factor now, look at the Scarlets as an example. Down to 4th scrum half.

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Injuries are really a factor now, look at the Scarlets as an example. Down to 4th scrum half.


The Ospreys can loan you one.

You can't have their leaders though, I would have thought.


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Cuts 4 games from the season, those 4 can be during the end of year tests. I've never liked how Saracens get punished for their success during the end of year tests so I think it would be a good idea. I also favour the second tier league being brought more up to speed with the Prem, especially with regards to funds. I'd love to see more Exeters successfully rise from the lower league to a position where they are competing with the best.

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Cuts 4 games from the season, those 4 can be during the end of year tests. I've never liked how Saracens get punished for their success during the end of year tests so I think it would be a good idea. I also favour the second tier league being brought more up to speed with the Prem, especially with regards to funds. I'd love to see more Exeters successfully rise from the lower league to a position where they are competing with the best.


You have the money to waste, Troron?

I'd be looking to spent umpteen hundreds of millions to ensure that youngsters in schools get a fair crack of the whip regarding rugby facilities throughout the length and breadth of the country.

All this money to peripheral sports for decades was just dumb. It has changed now - not before time.


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Cuts 4 games from the season, those 4 can be during the end of year tests. I've never liked how Saracens get punished for their success during the end of year tests so I think it would be a good idea. I also favour the second tier league being brought more up to speed with the Prem, especially with regards to funds. I'd love to see more Exeters successfully rise from the lower league to a position where they are competing with the best.


You have the money to waste, Troron?

I'd be looking to spent umpteen hundreds of millions to ensure that youngsters in schools get a fair crack of the whip regarding rugby facilities throughout the length and breadth of the country.

All this money to peripheral sports for decades was just dumb. It has changed now - not before time.


The RFU and English club had the highest earnings this year of any year so yeah, we do have extra money although why do you think it's a waste to expand the grassroots? I know you abandoned that long ago in Wales but we don't all need to get dragged down that path. Expanding funding to tier 2 clubs will have the knock on effect of improving their facilities and coaching.

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Bouch wrote:

I'd be looking to spent umpteen hundreds of millions to ensure that youngsters in schools get a fair crack of the whip regarding rugby facilities throughout the length and breadth of the country.


They are, and have been for years.

The facilities kids have now in England are phenomenal.

Part of the reason, I think, when they leave school they also leave rugby, because clubs don't have the level of facility that they are used to.

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French press report that the Aviva is looking more likely to go to 109 teams(closed) and a retention of 4 team play off?

Seem to be listening to player complaints ..

ref in french but that is more or less what it states

https://www.lequipe.fr/Rugby/Actualites ... mee/856879

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French press report that the Aviva is looking more likely to go to 109 teams(closed) and a retention of 4 team play off?

Seem to be listening to player complaints ..

ref in french but that is more or less what it states

https://www.lequipe.fr/Rugby/Actualites ... mee/856879


109 teams???


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najbritcol wrote:
Tony Panties wrote:
French press report that the Aviva is looking more likely to go to 10 teams(closed) and a retention of 4 team play off?

Seem to be listening to player complaints ..

ref in french but that is more or less what it states

https://www.lequipe.fr/Rugby/Actualites ... mee/856879


10 teams???

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Troron wrote:
Bouch wrote:

You have the money to waste, Troron?

I'd be looking to spent umpteen hundreds of millions to ensure that youngsters in schools get a fair crack of the whip regarding rugby facilities throughout the length and breadth of the country.

All this money to peripheral sports for decades was just dumb. It has changed now - not before time.


The RFU and English club had the highest earnings this year of any year so yeah, we do have extra money although why do you think it's a waste to expand the grassroots? I know you abandoned that long ago in Wales but we don't all need to get dragged down that path. Expanding funding to tier 2 clubs will have the knock on effect of improving their facilities and coaching.


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I'd be looking to spent umpteen hundreds of millions to ensure that youngsters in schools get a fair crack of the whip regarding rugby facilities throughout the length and breadth of the country.


Read it again, Troron.


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CymraegJanner wrote:
Bouch wrote:

I'd be looking to spent umpteen hundreds of millions to ensure that youngsters in schools get a fair crack of the whip regarding rugby facilities throughout the length and breadth of the country.


They are, and have been for years.

The facilities kids have now in England are phenomenal.

Part of the reason, I think, when they leave school they also leave rugby, because clubs don't have the level of facility that they are used to.



Er, there are facilities in some schools that are excellent. Soccer facilities in particular.

My grandchildren are in schools where the sports facilities are a bit patchy, mate.

Rugby? Not given the same largesse.


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Bouch wrote:
Troron wrote:
Bouch wrote:

You have the money to waste, Troron?

I'd be looking to spent umpteen hundreds of millions to ensure that youngsters in schools get a fair crack of the whip regarding rugby facilities throughout the length and breadth of the country.

All this money to peripheral sports for decades was just dumb.
It has changed now - not before time.


Read it again, Troron.


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Er, there are facilities in some schools that are excellent. Soccer facilities in particular.

My grandchildren are in schools where the sports facilities are a bit patchy, mate.

Rugby? Not given the same largesse.

Yeah I'm only involved in administration and coaching of junior and senior club rugby in England, mate

Some doddery *my love* in Wales who can't form cogent discussions or arguments, who cuts and pastes 98.7% of his input, has put me right in my place based on his half arsed knowledge that he has from his grandchildren has put me right in my place.

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