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To put this into a bit of perspective, ie new coaches, last year Edinburgh finished in 9 place, won 6 lost 16, Dragons finished in 11 place won 4 lost 18, this season under new coach Cockerill, Edinburgh are in the play offs, having won 15 and lost 6 games, Dragons on the other hand have won 2 lost 17.

I guess Cockers didn't need a whole season to assess his players. I rest my case.


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The Abominable Dr. Phibes wrote:

I guess Cockers didn't need a whole season to assess his players. I rest my case.


You don't have a case.

Look at this from time to time - http://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/sport/dragons/

And bear in mind that Pontypool have contributed almost nothing to regional rugby in the last decade and more.

That's not all Pontypool's fault either ....


Thu May 03, 2018 6:39 am
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The Abominable Dr. Phibes wrote:
To put this into a bit of perspective, ie new coaches, last year Edinburgh finished in 9 place, won 6 lost 16, Dragons finished in 11 place won 4 lost 18, this season under new coach Cockerill, Edinburgh are in the play offs, having won 15 and lost 6 games, Dragons on the other hand have won 2 lost 17.

I guess Cockers didn't need a whole season to assess his players. I rest my case.


Interesting point about cockerill... the key difference is that cockerill has a solid cv behind him when jackmans is questionable

Thing is dragons have been an absolute mess for years now. The performances just before lynn Jones took over were probably some of the worst I have ever seen from a pro rugby side. Lyn and Kingsley increased the effort of the team but due to lack the lack of quality dragons still got pumped

Has Jackman done any better... probably not but his approach is different. Lyn and Kingsley appeared to try and get the best out of a very limited group by not being overly critical and managing what they had. Jackman has called the lack of quality out which maybe what is needed in the long run to properly drive up standards... as opposed to softly softly

I am hoping it’s a case of one step backwards to go several forwards

I see the attack coach has also gone so it is defo all change


Thu May 03, 2018 8:00 am
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There has been a certain amount of churn, with some departures replaced with players of little pedigree who aren't obviously going to be better than those departing (Josh Lewis, the 2x RGC signings, Huw Taylor, Rhodri Davies). But overall if you look at the signings to date, you can't deny the squad is going to be a fair bit stronger next season.

Moriarty is just icing really as their back row was already the strongest part of their squad, but they've let 5 (!) props go and whatever you feel about Ryan Bevington and Aaron Jarvis they're definitely an upgrade on Luke Garrett, Sam Hobbs or Thomas Davies (no disrespect to Hobbs who I think was worth keeping). Hibbard - even an aging version - is better than Rhys Buckley. The new Samoan lock supposedly signing from Stade Francais looks good, Rhodri Williams was the best Welsh qualified scrum half they could have hoped to sign, and I would say is better than any scrum half they have had on their books in many years. Lastly, though Jordan Williams and Dafydd Howells are not necessarily better than some of the back three players the dragons already had, are certainly better than many that they are letting go, so they represent a bit more depth (something the Dragons have really struggled with this year) at the very least. One or two more hopefully still to sign as well.

They've still got some areas where a couple of injuries could leave them looking very light (Centre and loosehead prop), and a glaring weakness at 10, where it looks like the *most* experienced player is 21 year old Arwel Robson (that's if we consider Henson a centre). But otherwise they should definitely be more competitive in the future (hell, they could hardly be much worse).


Thu May 03, 2018 9:19 am
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Agree with the above with the exception of Hobbs who I always thought was crap

Part of a blues side which was routinely smashed and then a dragons side.


Thu May 03, 2018 9:35 am
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Hobbs is a decent squad player who always tries his hardest; and I would have kept him as as it stands the Dragons will have only one senior specialist Loosehead next year (Bevington). I can only assume they plan to use Brok Harris mainly at 1, like this year, and possibly Jarvis. I'd rather see Jarvis at 1 than 3, and then Brown or Fairbrother at 3.


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Bouch wrote:
The Abominable Dr. Phibes wrote:

I guess Cockers didn't need a whole season to assess his players. I rest my case.


You don't have a case.

Look at this from time to time - http://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/sport/dragons/

And bear in mind that Pontypool have contributed almost nothing to regional rugby in the last decade and more.

That's not all Pontypool's fault either ....


Your man Jackman is obviously going to need another season to "assess" his new signings. The Dragons will remain cannon fodder for the foreseeable future.


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Hobbs is a decent squad player who always tries his hardest; and I would have kept him as as it stands the Dragons will have only one senior specialist Loosehead next year (Bevington). I can only assume they plan to use Brok Harris mainly at 1, like this year, and possibly Jarvis. I'd rather see Jarvis at 1 than 3, and then Brown or Fairbrother at 3.


I agree.


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Cymru am byth wrote:
Figaro wrote:
Hobbs is a decent squad player who always tries his hardest; and I would have kept him as as it stands the Dragons will have only one senior specialist Loosehead next year (Bevington). I can only assume they plan to use Brok Harris mainly at 1, like this year, and possibly Jarvis. I'd rather see Jarvis at 1 than 3, and then Brown or Fairbrother at 3.


I agree.


I certainly don’t... Hobbs was let go by Danny Wilson and the blues for being below standard and part of a blues front row which was routinely humped. Now let go by Jackman for being... well part of a front row that was routinely humped

He does appear to try hard and achieve the odd turnover. But his work rate is poor due to poor fitness - despite trying his best - and is fairly ineffective as a rugby player. One up rugby at first reciever in an era where LH at all other regions can now do more

It’s exactly this sort of thing the dragons need to avoid... allowing standards to slip and accepting mediocrity


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Fair enough.

I don't really think any of the players the Dragons are letting go are really worth a contract ar another region. Belcher maybe, he's still young. But I am concerned that the Dragons are losing some average players (e.g. Sam Beard, Angus O'Brien) and replacing them with other players equally likely to be average e.g. the two RGC signings. Speaking of them, what's the point of RGC developing southern hemisphere players to get pro contracts? I'm sure they're decent enough players but I thought the whole poin't of RGC was to develop North Wales rugby.


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Agree with you B&D on Matthew Morgan's frailty in defence but I still think he would be the man to come on at the top level for the final 20 in a game which was virtually lost. The Ospreys defence against Gareth Anscombs try on Saturday was reminiscent of a scene at Madame Tousauds !!!

I do think Matthew Morgan is more suited to no 10; his ball distribution is top notch; I guess he prefers 15.


I think he should be a winger but his defence is pants, he's a liability sometimes with it. very exciting to watch with the ball though.

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Cymru am byth wrote:
Figaro wrote:
Hobbs is a decent squad player who always tries his hardest; and I would have kept him as as it stands the Dragons will have only one senior specialist Loosehead next year (Bevington). I can only assume they plan to use Brok Harris mainly at 1, like this year, and possibly Jarvis. I'd rather see Jarvis at 1 than 3, and then Brown or Fairbrother at 3.


I agree.


I certainly don’t... Hobbs was let go by Danny Wilson and the blues for being below standard and part of a blues front row which was routinely humped. Now let go by Jackman for being... well part of a front row that was routinely humped

He does appear to try hard and achieve the odd turnover. But his work rate is poor due to poor fitness - despite trying his best - and is fairly ineffective as a rugby player. One up rugby at first reciever in an era where LH at all other regions can now do more

It’s exactly this sort of thing the dragons need to avoid... allowing standards to slip and accepting mediocrity


He has suffered I think from being part of a bad team. The Blues front row was never great and I think he was one of the players that was let go because of poor players elsewhere. He also had some pretty poor players at the Blues. I suppirt Hobbs and think he deserves a chance at a decent club.


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