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hope it is on MOBDRO lol


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This is such a short-sighted deal, I could understand them selling to Sky but Premier Sports is a ludicrous step. If there are no Secondary rights sold to a FTA channel it will probably kill the game in Wales in the long term

The Sky deal with the ECB has been the deathknell for many cricket clubs. Grassroots cricket is dying, teams are folding, amalgamating or simply reducing the number of teams they put out on the weekend, Sunday cricket has pretty much disappeared from the landscape.

If you cut the roots of the tree then eventually the tree will die. The rich will get richer forma while but it will eventually come back and bite them on the arse.

As I said above, it doesn't bother me as I have log since stopped caring about regional rugby but the ones who have stuck by it will now in all probability go and find something else to do


I believe S4C will still show some matches.
nothing agreed yet

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hope it is on MOBDRO lol

Oh it is, not that I use Modbro as the quality isn't good, not a chance I'll subscribe to PS though just the same but then again the quality of Freesports is dire also

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This could be another On Digital fiasco if they have thrown £100m at the league as I cannot see any possibility that they will recoup that from new subscriptions.

Same CEO as Setanta isn't it, remind me how they went the last time they tried something like this in the UK.

Still RRW or the ultras won't care as they'll have their 30 pieces of silver!!

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This could be another On Digital fiasco if they have thrown £100m at the league as I cannot see any possibility that they will recoup that from new subscriptions.

Same CEO as Setanta isn't it, remind me how they went the last time they tried something like this in the UK.

Still RRW or the ultras won't care as they'll have their 30 pieces of silver!!

Thats just 10 pieces of silver a year

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Exactly and getting less exposure in return because they can butter it up any way they like, the viewing figures next year will be tiny in comparison to what they had before.

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Exactly and getting less exposure in return because they can butter it up any way they like, the viewing figures next year will be tiny in comparison to what they had before.

I should imagine that most of the BT sponsorship will not be renewed as it really was only there because of Sky and if the viewing figures are poor most of the other jersey/ground sponsors will only carry on at decreased rate when it is time to renew so the extra money will be lost pretty soon

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This could be another On Digital fiasco if they have thrown £100m at the league as I cannot see any possibility that they will recoup that from new subscriptions.

Same CEO as Setanta isn't it, remind me how they went the last time they tried something like this in the UK.

Still RRW or the ultras won't care as they'll have their 30 pieces of silver!!


They haven't thrown £100m at PRO14. It's less than that. The media reported total value of all broadcast market deals to date - UK, Ireland, Italy, SA - is estimated at €33m (£30m) per year. However, Martin Anayi. in his announcements comments said they've effectively doubled the value of broadcast deals in the last three years. So it depends on what the starting point was from previous deals for PRO12 from Sky and the various terrestrial stations. Best estimates for UK, Irl & Italy were €13.5m-14m per year. So that would make it €27-28m a year.

SARU as part of their participation agreement with the PRO14 shareholders and the SuperSport TV deal committed to paying €570k per PRO12 team i.e. €6.8m a year. Eurosport have distribution rights for Italy, parts of Europe and Asia via Setanta. EirSport and TG4 have the Irish broadcast territory. Premier Sports have England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. And PS will probably bid and get international distribution rights for US, Aus, NZ with their large ex-pat populations. It's a hard enough sell - probably 150k subscribers each year without including advertising monies - but achievable.


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This could be another On Digital fiasco if they have thrown £100m at the league as I cannot see any possibility that they will recoup that from new subscriptions.

Same CEO as Setanta isn't it, remind me how they went the last time they tried something like this in the UK.

Still RRW or the ultras won't care as they'll have their 30 pieces of silver!!


They haven't thrown £100m at PRO14. It's less than that. The media reported total value of all broadcast market deals to date - UK, Ireland, Italy, SA - is estimated at €33m (£30m) per year. However, Martin Anayi. in his announcements comments said they've effectively doubled the value of broadcast deals in the last three years. So it depends on what the starting point was from previous deals for PRO12 from Sky and the various terrestrial stations. Best estimates for UK, Irl & Italy were €13.5m-14m per year. So that would make it €27-28m a year.

SARU as part of their participation agreement with the PRO14 shareholders and the SuperSport TV deal committed to paying €570k per PRO12 team i.e. €6.8m a year. Eurosport have distribution rights for Italy, parts of Europe and Asia via Setanta. EirSport and TG4 have the Irish broadcast territory. Premier Sports have England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. And PS will probably bid and get international distribution rights for US, Aus, NZ with their large ex-pat populations. It's a hard enough sell - probably 150k subscribers each year without including advertising monies - but achievable.


It's crazy, as said above, they'll lose sponsorship because of this in addition to the exposure they were getting on FTA.

I wouldn't bet on crowds increasing much either if that's what they are hoping for

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Post Re: BBC fails to reach Pro 14 rugby TV deal
Ultimately the game will receive very little exposure in Wales and that’s a huge problem. The regions therefore need to make it cheap to go and watch the matches.


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Andrew (Scum V) wrote:
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Andrew (Scum V) wrote:
This could be another On Digital fiasco if they have thrown £100m at the league as I cannot see any possibility that they will recoup that from new subscriptions.

Same CEO as Setanta isn't it, remind me how they went the last time they tried something like this in the UK.

Still RRW or the ultras won't care as they'll have their 30 pieces of silver!!


They haven't thrown £100m at PRO14. It's less than that. The media reported total value of all broadcast market deals to date - UK, Ireland, Italy, SA - is estimated at €33m (£30m) per year. However, Martin Anayi. in his announcements comments said they've effectively doubled the value of broadcast deals in the last three years. So it depends on what the starting point was from previous deals for PRO12 from Sky and the various terrestrial stations. Best estimates for UK, Irl & Italy were €13.5m-14m per year. So that would make it €27-28m a year.

SARU as part of their participation agreement with the PRO14 shareholders and the SuperSport TV deal committed to paying €570k per PRO12 team i.e. €6.8m a year. Eurosport have distribution rights for Italy, parts of Europe and Asia via Setanta. EirSport and TG4 have the Irish broadcast territory. Premier Sports have England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. And PS will probably bid and get international distribution rights for US, Aus, NZ with their large ex-pat populations. It's a hard enough sell - probably 150k subscribers each year without including advertising monies - but achievable.


It's crazy, as said above, they'll lose sponsorship because of this in addition to the exposure they were getting on FTA.

I wouldn't bet on crowds increasing much either if that's what they are hoping for


What exposure were they getting on FTA? BBC Wales? S4C? Premier Sports will sub-license some Welsh games to S4C similar to what they’ve done with TG4. What sponsorship will PRO14 lose? From whom?
It all sounds a bit “we’re doomed, Captain Mainwaring”.


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Pot Hale wrote:
Andrew (Scum V) wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:
Andrew (Scum V) wrote:
This could be another On Digital fiasco if they have thrown £100m at the league as I cannot see any possibility that they will recoup that from new subscriptions.

Same CEO as Setanta isn't it, remind me how they went the last time they tried something like this in the UK.

Still RRW or the ultras won't care as they'll have their 30 pieces of silver!!


They haven't thrown £100m at PRO14. It's less than that. The media reported total value of all broadcast market deals to date - UK, Ireland, Italy, SA - is estimated at €33m (£30m) per year. However, Martin Anayi. in his announcements comments said they've effectively doubled the value of broadcast deals in the last three years. So it depends on what the starting point was from previous deals for PRO12 from Sky and the various terrestrial stations. Best estimates for UK, Irl & Italy were €13.5m-14m per year. So that would make it €27-28m a year.

SARU as part of their participation agreement with the PRO14 shareholders and the SuperSport TV deal committed to paying €570k per PRO12 team i.e. €6.8m a year. Eurosport have distribution rights for Italy, parts of Europe and Asia via Setanta. EirSport and TG4 have the Irish broadcast territory. Premier Sports have England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. And PS will probably bid and get international distribution rights for US, Aus, NZ with their large ex-pat populations. It's a hard enough sell - probably 150k subscribers each year without including advertising monies - but achievable.


It's crazy, as said above, they'll lose sponsorship because of this in addition to the exposure they were getting on FTA.

I wouldn't bet on crowds increasing much either if that's what they are hoping for


What exposure were they getting on FTA? BBC Wales? S4C? Premier Sports will sub-license some Welsh games to S4C similar to what they’ve done with TG4. What sponsorship will PRO14 lose? From whom?
It all sounds a bit “we’re doomed, Captain Mainwaring”.


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Point of order! IT'S NOT FREE TO AIR, we all, well most, pay the licence fee so lets stop this FTA crap

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Point of order! IT'S NOT FREE TO AIR, we all, well most, pay the licence fee so lets stop this FTA crap


yep and in my case about the only thing I watch on the Beeb is Rugby, and I resent paying £12 per month, so that twonks like kusenberg and Nick Robinson spout their tory lickspittle at the world


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Pot Hale wrote:
Andrew (Scum V) wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:
Andrew (Scum V) wrote:
This could be another On Digital fiasco if they have thrown £100m at the league as I cannot see any possibility that they will recoup that from new subscriptions.

Same CEO as Setanta isn't it, remind me how they went the last time they tried something like this in the UK.

Still RRW or the ultras won't care as they'll have their 30 pieces of silver!!


They haven't thrown £100m at PRO14. It's less than that. The media reported total value of all broadcast market deals to date - UK, Ireland, Italy, SA - is estimated at €33m (£30m) per year. However, Martin Anayi. in his announcements comments said they've effectively doubled the value of broadcast deals in the last three years. So it depends on what the starting point was from previous deals for PRO12 from Sky and the various terrestrial stations. Best estimates for UK, Irl & Italy were €13.5m-14m per year. So that would make it €27-28m a year.

SARU as part of their participation agreement with the PRO14 shareholders and the SuperSport TV deal committed to paying €570k per PRO12 team i.e. €6.8m a year. Eurosport have distribution rights for Italy, parts of Europe and Asia via Setanta. EirSport and TG4 have the Irish broadcast territory. Premier Sports have England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. And PS will probably bid and get international distribution rights for US, Aus, NZ with their large ex-pat populations. It's a hard enough sell - probably 150k subscribers each year without including advertising monies - but achievable.


It's crazy, as said above, they'll lose sponsorship because of this in addition to the exposure they were getting on FTA.

I wouldn't bet on crowds increasing much either if that's what they are hoping for


What exposure were they getting on FTA? BBC Wales? S4C? Premier Sports will sub-license some Welsh games to S4C similar to what they’ve done with TG4. What sponsorship will PRO14 lose? From whom?
It all sounds a bit “we’re doomed, Captain Mainwaring”.
it's no skin off my nose as I don't watch it anyway on the BBC. But potentially games were available countrywide to anyone who owns a TV. Clearly that will no longer be the case. I could understand them going to Sky but not this tinpot tinny organisation.

So you think the likes of BT etc will continue to sponsor the club's when hardly anyone will see their branding

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