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Ospreys v Dragons (Fri 27.10.2017) 
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Post Re: Ospreys v Dragons (Fri 27.10.2017)
Langland Exile wrote:
Tony Panties wrote:
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najbritcol wrote:
SimplyRed wrote:
but how many people were watching?
The pro 14 is descending into a pit once again this season. I can only hope that tonights game is a bit better quality.


Around 7400 showed up, which I agree is derisory.

The Swans can't even fill the ground for Man U game at the moment.


Icey, that's avoiding the point?


Don't agree, fans of both sports are voting with their feet


Pro14 is, imo, a different argument to prime Div Footie.

Osps and Swans are both suffereing, Swans for a longer time.

Footie prime division cannot, however, be compared to Pro14.

When I visited pubs in S Wales on a Saturday afternoon they were filled with footy fans and jerseys of a multitude of Clubs. Difficult to find a pub showing rugby.

One weekend I was there and Swans played Cardiff and the pubs were full, bouncers on the doors to limit extent of the capacity/

Too easy to force the Swans/Ospreys 'equation'

Even Scarlets on crest of wave can't get a decent crowd (Bath bring lots of supporters

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Post Re: Ospreys v Dragons (Fri 27.10.2017)
Tony Panties wrote:
Langland Exile wrote:
Tony Panties wrote:
ICEverything wrote:
najbritcol wrote:
SimplyRed wrote:
but how many people were watching?
The pro 14 is descending into a pit once again this season. I can only hope that tonights game is a bit better quality.


Around 7400 showed up, which I agree is derisory.

The Swans can't even fill the ground for Man U game at the moment.


Icey, that's avoiding the point?


Don't agree, fans of both sports are voting with their feet


Pro14 is, imo, a different argument to prime Div Footie.

Osps and Swans are both suffereing, Swans for a longer time.

Footie prime division cannot, however, be compared to Pro14.

When I visited pubs in S Wales on a Saturday afternoon they were filled with footy fans and jerseys of a multitude of Clubs. Difficult to find a pub showing rugby.

One weekend I was there and Swans played Cardiff and the pubs were full, bouncers on the doors to limit extent of the capacity/

Too easy to force the Swans/Ospreys 'equation'

Even Scarlets on crest of wave can't get a decent crowd (Bath bring lots of supporters


In total numbers, I agree, but both the Swans and Ospreys have seen about a 15-20% drop in home based crowd size over the last 2 years.
In the Swans case, they can get the visiting side to pick up the slack, not in club rugby, whoch is the big difference.

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Post Re: Ospreys v Dragons (Fri 27.10.2017)
Langland Exile wrote:
Tony Panties wrote:
Langland Exile wrote:
Tony Panties wrote:
ICEverything wrote:
najbritcol wrote:
SimplyRed wrote:
but how many people were watching?
The pro 14 is descending into a pit once again this season. I can only hope that tonights game is a bit better quality.


Around 7400 showed up, which I agree is derisory.

The Swans can't even fill the ground for Man U game at the moment.


Icey, that's avoiding the point?


Don't agree, fans of both sports are voting with their feet


Pro14 is, imo, a different argument to prime Div Footie.

Osps and Swans are both suffereing, Swans for a longer time.

Footie prime division cannot, however, be compared to Pro14.

When I visited pubs in S Wales on a Saturday afternoon they were filled with footy fans and jerseys of a multitude of Clubs. Difficult to find a pub showing rugby.

One weekend I was there and Swans played Cardiff and the pubs were full, bouncers on the doors to limit extent of the capacity/

Too easy to force the Swans/Ospreys 'equation'

Even Scarlets on crest of wave can't get a decent crowd (Bath bring lots of supporters


In total numbers, I agree, but both the Swans and Ospreys have seen about a 15-20% drop in home based crowd size over the last 2 years.
In the Swans case, they can get the visiting side to pick up the slack, not in club rugby, whoch is the big difference.


Do you mean that football fans travel in far greater numbers than do rugby fans?


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Post Re: Ospreys v Dragons (Fri 27.10.2017)
Langland Exile wrote:
Tony Panties wrote:
Langland Exile wrote:
Tony Panties wrote:
ICEverything wrote:
najbritcol wrote:
SimplyRed wrote:
but how many people were watching?
The pro 14 is descending into a pit once again this season. I can only hope that tonights game is a bit better quality.


Around 7400 showed up, which I agree is derisory.

The Swans can't even fill the ground for Man U game at the moment.


Icey, that's avoiding the point?


Don't agree, fans of both sports are voting with their feet


Pro14 is, imo, a different argument to prime Div Footie.

Osps and Swans are both suffereing, Swans for a longer time.

Footie prime division cannot, however, be compared to Pro14.

When I visited pubs in S Wales on a Saturday afternoon they were filled with footy fans and jerseys of a multitude of Clubs. Difficult to find a pub showing rugby.

One weekend I was there and Swans played Cardiff and the pubs were full, bouncers on the doors to limit extent of the capacity/

Too easy to force the Swans/Ospreys 'equation'

Even Scarlets on crest of wave can't get a decent crowd (Bath bring lots of supporters


In total numbers, I agree, but both the Swans and Ospreys have seen about a 15-20% drop in home based crowd size over the last 2 years.
In the Swans case, they can get the visiting side to pick up the slack, not in club rugby, whoch is the big difference.


I dont agree your stats!

If you take the Pro12 (most consistent comparison in terms of games and closed fixtures)

2014§/15 to 2016/2017 there has been an increase in Osps gates.

What is your source??

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Post Re: Ospreys v Dragons (Fri 27.10.2017)
Ospreys' crowd numbers increased between 2015-16 and 2016-17 but this season has seen a big drop compared to both.


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Post Re: Ospreys v Dragons (Fri 27.10.2017)
najbritcol wrote:
Ospreys' crowd numbers increased between 2015-16 and 2016-17 but this season has seen a big drop compared to both.


The Season is not over and fixture mix can apply, therefore this season remains debatable. ;)

They increased between 2014/15 and 2016/17 as I stated.

I believe that my stats for Pro12 are accurate ..which is a consistent comparison and refutes LE's comment ("Ospreys have seen about a 15-20% drop in home based crowd size over the last 2 years".)
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Post Re: Ospreys v Dragons (Fri 27.10.2017)
Tony Panties wrote:
najbritcol wrote:
Ospreys' crowd numbers increased between 2015-16 and 2016-17 but this season has seen a big drop compared to both.


The Season is not over and fixture mix can apply, therefore this season remains debatable. ;)

They increased between 2014/15 and 2016/17 as I stated.

I believe that my stats for Pro12 are accurate ..which is a consistent comparison and refutes LE's comment ("Ospreys have seen about a 15-20% drop in home based crowd size over the last 2 years".)
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Please note this is a rugby site and not a law court Tel.

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Post Re: Ospreys v Dragons (Fri 27.10.2017)
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Tony Panties wrote:
najbritcol wrote:
Ospreys' crowd numbers increased between 2015-16 and 2016-17 but this season has seen a big drop compared to both.


The Season is not over and fixture mix can apply, therefore this season remains debatable. ;)

They increased between 2014/15 and 2016/17 as I stated.

I believe that my stats for Pro12 are accurate ..which is a consistent comparison and refutes LE's comment ("Ospreys have seen about a 15-20% drop in home based crowd size over the last 2 years".)
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Please note this is a rugby site and not a law court Tel.


Just a correction of stats that reversed the point, what's wrong with that :scratch:

I do recognise that the tone was somewhat severe though ;)

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Post Re: Ospreys v Dragons (Fri 27.10.2017)
Ospreys were dire at the end of last season and have been dire at the start of this one so it's not a real surprise that crowds are down. 7k for a derby is disappointing but perhaps in line with the wider trends


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Post Re: Ospreys v Dragons (Fri 27.10.2017)
How do Dragons home crowds compare to last year?


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Post Re: Ospreys v Dragons (Fri 27.10.2017)
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How do Dragons home crowds compare to last year?


Can't really compare because Judgement day has such an effect on the Dragons and Cardiff gates.

Also, care should be taken this year as the inclusion of SA teams especially Kings will have an effect.

The only way to compare apples v apples is to compare the same fixtures.

I have records over 10+ years, I did normalise the Borders leaving and I have included a separate list after the Italian teams entry. The Judgement day inclusion also affected the Dragons and Cardiff gates average. This now further complicates issues :scratch:

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Post Re: Ospreys v Dragons (Fri 27.10.2017)
Not sure how life can go on... ;)

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