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Scarlets v Connacht (Fri 29.09.2017) 
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Post Re: Scarlets v Connacht (Fri 29.09.2017)
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7,700 last night versus 5,630 for the corresponding game last year. Averaging over 9,000 season to date


had few sell outs have they


It is called building a brand and a business, something few Welsh people have the brains to understand.


I would call it reversing a trend in business terms ... if it is achieved?


The core of 5,000 to 5,500 will support rain/shine/win/lose.

Scarlets can only attract more fans by making the games entertaining and the overall experience good, and PYS has bad parking for starters. The game last night was good on the eye if not a defensive master class.

Winning and playing attractive rugby breed higher gates, but I think the attractive rugby is the most important part..

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Post Re: Scarlets v Connacht (Fri 29.09.2017)
Langland Exile wrote:
Tony Panties wrote:
Langland Exile wrote:
Fids the Blindside wrote:
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7,700 last night versus 5,630 for the corresponding game last year. Averaging over 9,000 season to date


had few sell outs have they


It is called building a brand and a business, something few Welsh people have the brains to understand.


I would call it reversing a trend in business terms ... if it is achieved?


The core of 5,000 to 5,500 will support rain/shine/win/lose.

Scarlets can only attract more fans by making the games entertaining and the overall experience good, and PYS has bad parking for starters. The game last night was good on the eye if not a defensive master class.

Winning and playing attractive rugby breed higher gates, but I think the attractive rugby is the most important part..


That's debatable. As e.g. Toulon and Saracens sometimes show, winning ugly is usually more important than losing pretty.


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Post Re: Scarlets v Connacht (Fri 29.09.2017)
Langland Exile wrote:
Tony Panties wrote:
Langland Exile wrote:
Fids the Blindside wrote:
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7,700 last night versus 5,630 for the corresponding game last year. Averaging over 9,000 season to date


had few sell outs have they


It is called building a brand and a business, something few Welsh people have the brains to understand.


I would call it reversing a trend in business terms ... if it is achieved?


The core of 5,000 to 5,500 will support rain/shine/win/lose.

Scarlets can only attract more fans by making the games entertaining and the overall experience good, and PYS has bad parking for starters. The game last night was good on the eye if not a defensive master class.

Winning and playing attractive rugby breed higher gates, but I think the attractive rugby is the most important part..


You said business and brand... I refered to that in terms of building ...little evidence of business growth to sensible levels? That's why I prefered 'reversing a trend' ie poor bottom line etc

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Post Re: Scarlets v Connacht (Fri 29.09.2017)
Depends how you define "sensible".

The PYS set up is really good, and right sized for the community. If the Scarlets could do an "Exeter", and get the average up to around 10-11,000 or so, I think that is all you can do within the PRO 14 set up.

I watched the Saints Vs Quins and that gate was 12,700, with 2 large cities involved.

The business case is very different from football/soccer.

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Post Re: Scarlets v Connacht (Fri 29.09.2017)
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Depends how you define "sensible".

The PYS set up is really good, and right sized for the community. If the Scarlets could do an "Exeter", and get the average up to around 10-11,000 or so, I think that is all you can do within the PRO 14 set up.

I watched the Saints Vs Quins and that gate was 12,700, with 2 large cities involved.

The business case is very different from football/soccer.


As said many times before, gates are an indicator although a valuable one and also gates are low revenue earners.

Pro sport is a lot more thsn tnat to be successful.

PYs by all accounts is a fine venue but clearly failed to deliver its business case.

Maybe that describes it better?

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Post Re: Scarlets v Connacht (Fri 29.09.2017)
Tony Panties wrote:
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Depends how you define "sensible".

The PYS set up is really good, and right sized for the community. If the Scarlets could do an "Exeter", and get the average up to around 10-11,000 or so, I think that is all you can do within the PRO 14 set up.

I watched the Saints Vs Quins and that gate was 12,700, with 2 large cities involved.

The business case is very different from football/soccer.


As said many times before, gates are an indicator although a valuable one and also gates are low revenue earners.

Pro sport is a lot more thsn tnat to be successful.

PYs by all accounts is a fine venue but clearly failed to deliver its business case.

Maybe that describes it better?


More a reflection of the team and the market than the Stadium, I would think?

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Post Re: Scarlets v Connacht (Fri 29.09.2017)
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Fids the Blindside wrote:
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7,700 last night versus 5,630 for the corresponding game last year. Averaging over 9,000 season to date


had few sell outs have they


It is called building a brand and a business, something few Welsh people have the brains to understand.



They've had over 150 years to do that, how long does it take?

Exeter seem to have done it in under 10 years

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Post Re: Scarlets v Connacht (Fri 29.09.2017)
Fids the Blindside wrote:
Langland Exile wrote:
Fids the Blindside wrote:
Langland Exile wrote:
7,700 last night versus 5,630 for the corresponding game last year. Averaging over 9,000 season to date


had few sell outs have they


It is called building a brand and a business, something few Welsh people have the brains to understand.



They've had over 150 years to do that, how long does it take?

Exeter seem to have done it in under 10 years


It might pain you to learn that when I meet rugby people here from all over the World, most of have heard of the Scarlets and their reputation for playing attractive rugby ;)

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Post Re: Scarlets v Connacht (Fri 29.09.2017)
Whoop dee *fupping* doo

All their known for in Wales is being in huge debt and fake news attendances, average of 9K, prove it Don :D

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Post Re: Scarlets v Connacht (Fri 29.09.2017)
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Whoop dee *fupping* doo

All their known for in Wales is being in huge debt and fake news attendances, average of 9K, prove it Don :D


By some people, happy that "they are no better than they should be"? ;)

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Post Re: Scarlets v Connacht (Fri 29.09.2017)
Langland Exile wrote:
Fids the Blindside wrote:
Whoop dee *fupping* doo

All their known for in Wales is being in huge debt and fake news attendances, average of 9K, prove it Don :D


By some people, happy that "they are no better than they should be"? ;)


what have I said that is not true?

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Post Re: Scarlets v Connacht (Fri 29.09.2017)
A game that could have slipped away from the Scarlets, but a 5 pointer nonetheless.

There is a growing injury list down at PyS which is worrying, especially with the Os game next week and then Europe.

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Post Re: Scarlets v Connacht (Fri 29.09.2017)
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A game that could have slipped away from the Scarlets, but a 5 pointer nonetheless.

There is a growing injury list down at PyS which is worrying, especially with the Os game next week and then Europe.


We will see how good the pipeline is....Cubby is the big absentee

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Post Re: Scarlets v Connacht (Fri 29.09.2017)
Langland Exile wrote:
ICEverything wrote:
A game that could have slipped away from the Scarlets, but a 5 pointer nonetheless.

There is a growing injury list down at PyS which is worrying, especially with the Os game next week and then Europe.


We will see how good the pipeline is....Cubby is the big absentee

And, Liam :(


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Post Re: Scarlets v Connacht (Fri 29.09.2017)
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Exeter seem to have done it in under 10 years

Exeter is weird, in a good way.

Cheap season tickets
Very Expensive match day tickets
Loads of free tickets floating around local rugby clubs and junior sections.
REasonably priced beer in the stadium bars that stay open until very late.

I don't know anyone who actually pays to go and watch the Chiefs, but those that do usually go 3 or 4 times a season (myself included)

That said I don't think we've had any free tickets yet this season, mind you I don't think they've had any home games on the box have they (which is when they normally send out all the free tickets)

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