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Talking to a Wasps fan at a recent wedding in the midlands, it was very interesting to hear how they attracted people into the stadium, and how they have kept them.

Essentially a team that abandoned it's reasonably mediocre fan base and attracted a large new one in 2 years, give it really cheap, keep it cheap, make the day a good occasion for all, it's not rocket science.


Wasps not really a realistic example either as they moved to an area with a big catchment area that has a healthy interest in rugby, but no pro team. They had a unique opportunity with the Coventry City situation and took it.

Oh agreed.
But it's how they've done it, and how it's worked.
A lot of families go to the ricoh


Totally agree. A massive opportunity has been presented to them and they are taking it. Apparently doing a lot of good work with local clubs in the wider area.

Yeah they are, it's all very well and good picking up a club and putting it in a place where there's lots of people, but you have to get those people to come in, and come in again. Northampton and Leicester are on their doorstep, but they have created a large core fanbase from nothing very quickly and appear to have kept it.

When the regions formed I was of the opinon it would take a long time to attract in the fans as there was no affiliation which needed to be built, Wasps have proved me wrong to some degree (although the vast majority of new Wasps fans didn't have a previous affiliation with a top level club a la the regions and their contributing clubs) and I think it's impressive.

It'll be interesting to see if the business model works mind, they are quite highly leveraged with short term bonds

It will be very interesting, as this is the model Cardiff want to follow. All I can see to date is ever increasing debts mounting on top of the original bond issue. Northampton and Leicester are relatively close, but they also have their own sizeable populations and don't really need to compete with Coventry or attract the populous there.


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It is imperative that the Scarlets attract a lot more people through the turnstiles. Why? Adult admission charges for seating behind the goals and inside the 22 meter lines should be reduced to £5 or less, and children should be admitted for £1. (Why? Kids tickets are already v cheap or free and the idea is to make money) Schools in the Llanelli area should be allocated a bundle of complimentary tickets on a rota basis. They already do this, and also with junior rugby sections around the region The Finance department will say that is not the way to make money, but the team will perform better in front of larger crowds; What's the evidence or basis for this claim? They just won the P12 and beat Toulon. Sarries are the best team in Europe and often play in front of less than 10k. Super Rugby is often played in largely empty stadia, as are the Mitre and Currie Cups. Do those teams play poorly? and to be honest the present attendances are absolutely disgusting. Compared to who/what? Attendance per head of population is way better than the Irish teams and West Wales is one of the poorest areas in the EU.


It's very easy and often pleasing to have a rant, but that one is based on nothing more than your opinion Sir.


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This is why I worry about the Wasps model:
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/rugby/wasps-struggle-repay-35m-ricoh-12759835


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It is imperative that the Scarlets attract a lot more people through the turnstiles. Why? Adult admission charges for seating behind the goals and inside the 22 meter lines should be reduced to £5 or less, and children should be admitted for £1. (Why? Kids tickets are already v cheap or free and the idea is to make money) Schools in the Llanelli area should be allocated a bundle of complimentary tickets on a rota basis. They already do this, and also with junior rugby sections around the region The Finance department will say that is not the way to make money, but the team will perform better in front of larger crowds; What's the evidence or basis for this claim? They just won the P12 and beat Toulon. Sarries are the best team in Europe and often play in front of less than 10k. Super Rugby is often played in largely empty stadia, as are the Mitre and Currie Cups. Do those teams play poorly? and to be honest the present attendances are absolutely disgusting. Compared to who/what? Attendance per head of population is way better than the Irish teams and West Wales is one of the poorest areas in the EU.


It's very easy and often pleasing to have a rant, but that one is based on nothing more than your opinion Sir.


An ill informed one at that. An extra couple of thousand people through the turnstiles would of course be welcome, but it's extra TV money that is desperately needed.


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It is imperative that the Scarlets attract a lot more people through the turnstiles. Why? Adult admission charges for seating behind the goals and inside the 22 meter lines should be reduced to £5 or less, and children should be admitted for £1. (Why? Kids tickets are already v cheap or free and the idea is to make money) Schools in the Llanelli area should be allocated a bundle of complimentary tickets on a rota basis. They already do this, and also with junior rugby sections around the region The Finance department will say that is not the way to make money, but the team will perform better in front of larger crowds; What's the evidence or basis for this claim? They just won the P12 and beat Toulon. Sarries are the best team in Europe and often play in front of less than 10k. Super Rugby is often played in largely empty stadia, as are the Mitre and Currie Cups. Do those teams play poorly? and to be honest the present attendances are absolutely disgusting. Compared to who/what? Attendance per head of population is way better than the Irish teams and West Wales is one of the poorest areas in the EU.


It's very easy and often pleasing to have a rant, but that one is based on nothing more than your opinion Sir.


ref yr comment ...Sarries are the 4th highest attendance performance club in the Aviva ...I posted it earlier....they and Toulon (capacity increased for this Season) and Sarries intentionally play home to 'small' capacity crowds eg in Eouro Champs 1/4 final to get true home advantage rather than a bonanza gate offsite that both can easily achieve.
Be careful of Sarries 10k capacity ...they can increase their capacity to 15k to accomodate EPCR minimum gate attendance for Euro 1/4 final ;)

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PS teams like Bayonne with similar population to Scarlets can beat their attence 80%

and they have tough local Basque competition similar to Llanelli too.

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f^^^^^^^^^

In fact I think Bayonne has 60% popln of llanelli and About 50% greater av gates.

Beware gate averages and populations etc, oft used other excuses for poor Region attendance have also included : weather, pricing, TV coverage (valid in terms of free to air), conurbations stats, social circumstance, tax comparisons e.g sponsoring opportunities, away team attendance, general geographic differences, Regional set up dislike..super club contradiction, etc ...

It's a zoo and not obvious unless you research behind the frontal stats.

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It depends how you read it. Unsecured bonds have no rights attached to them which is the comment I made in the thread above which probably some on here may not be familiar.

Perhaps it goes to show that most professional sports as currently configured really don't work, although I would be interested in the Exeter model.

Wasps are doing well and the debt is covered by the asset values. The game really needs hard salary caps and a better open revenue sharing model between the players and the carrying costs.

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