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Leigh Halfpenny: Wales full-back poised to join Scarlets on dual contract

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/40773723

After some of our flakey goal kicking last season it will be a blessing to get points from a good goal kicker.


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Leigh Halfpenny: Wales full-back poised to join Scarlets on dual contract

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/40773723

After some of our flakey goal kicking last season it will be a blessing to get points from a good goal kicker.



And that'll be about it.

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This is a great signing for the Scarlets. :clap:

Steff Evans, Halfpenny and McNicholl will make a formidable back three. Interestingly all three can play full back or wing so we might see some interchanging of positions throughout the season.

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This is a great signing for the Scarlets. :clap:

Steff Evans, Halfpenny and McNicholl will make a formidable back three. Interestingly all three can play full back or wing so we might see some interchanging of positions throughout the season.


Utility backs are important.

Where is McNickoll from? Is he, shudder, from overseas?


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This is a great signing for the Scarlets. :clap:

Steff Evans, Halfpenny and McNicholl will make a formidable back three. Interestingly all three can play full back or wing so we might see some interchanging of positions throughout the season.


Utility backs are important.

Where is McNickoll from? Is he, shudder, from overseas?

I wouldn't describe any of them as Utility backs to be honest. They are all specialists in their respective positions. and would all be first choice fullbacks at any of the other Welsh regions. It so happens they can all play on the wing - so maybe yes indeed they are utility backs. Just arguing with myself now.

McNicholl as you well know Bouch is from NZ. But will probably be WQ before you can say 'Taumata whakatangi hangakoauau o tamatea turi pukakapiki maunga horo nuku pokai whenua kitanatahu'.

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Well, Steff used to play centre for the side name Llanelli RFC.

Halfpenny is a back 3 player and that isn't really utility, I agree.

This foreigner you've signed is surely a utility player mind. He's played in a few positions for the Crusaders, centre as well as back 3, I understand.

Whatever, he's a very good buy and he scores tries against the best.

He'll do you proud, ICE.


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Good to see a regional team invest for success.

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Post Re: Leigh Halfpenny poised to join Scarlets on dual contract
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Good to see a regional team invest for success.


That is a little tongue in cheek??

Undoubtedly Scarlets have built a successful squad and recruited a fine architect in the Coach.

Scores on the doors and an impressive performance and they are set up well for some progression this Season.
They have spent well but the Pro world has another aspect... paying the piper.
A 1.5m previous deficit and a shaky going concern cannot be swept away.

They have truly built a fine squad and importantly seem to have developed a team ethic and a squad well motivated.

The best investment has been Pivac and the development of Stephen Jones alongside

On the subject of investment there has been criticism from Scarlet supporters on the allocation of DCs ... maybe some recognition of WRU investment in JD and 1/2P should also be recognised.

Now the important phase : consolidation of their on the field performance and broader success and a turnaround in the business side.

I feel that they could be truly progressive but with a nagging doubt if the financials will be sufficient. Progressive teams also suffer talent spotting and big cheques and that includes the Coach ... 1/2P at the end of the day is just a better goal kicking replacement for Liam W.

Jury out but undoubtedly the most progressive Region with a performing squad and an excellent Coach and apparently a fine ambiance with a business aspect Achilles heel.

Llanelli fans ... vote with your feet and attract some people that matter ... Sponsors and investors.

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Tony Panties wrote:
Langland Exile wrote:
Good to see a regional team invest for success.


That is a little tongue in cheek??

Undoubtedly Scarlets have built a successful squad and recruited a fine architect in the Coach.

Scores on the doors and an impressive performance and they are set up well for some progression this Season.
They have spent well but the Pro world has another aspect... paying the piper.
A 1.5m previous deficit and a shaky going concern cannot be swept away.

They have truly built a fine squad and importantly seem to have developed a team ethic and a squad well motivated.

The best investment has been Pivac and the development of Stephen Jones alongside

On the subject of investment there has been criticism from Scarlet supporters on the allocation of DCs ... maybe some recognition of WRU investment in JD and 1/2P should also be recognised.

Now the important phase : consolidation of their on the field performance and broader success and a turnaround in the business side.

I feel that they could be truly progressive but with a nagging doubt if the financials will be sufficient. Progressive teams also suffer talent spotting and big cheques and that includes the Coach ... 1/2P at the end of the day is just a better goal kicking replacement for Liam W.

Jury out but undoubtedly the most progressive Region with a performing squad and an excellent Coach and apparently a fine ambiance with a business aspect Achilles heel.

Llanelli fans ... vote with your feet and attract some people that matter ... Sponsors and investors.


No it wasn't tongue in cheek, you missed the point completely.

They have an excellent coach and coaching group, agreed.
They also have recruited players well and built their skills levels, agreed.
There is competition for every position on the field, and the Cup Semi and Final were won without their 2 best front 5 forwards, Owens and Ball.

What they can't cure is the lack of support. Llanelli is a miserable place, and rugby just not seem to get people's interest, and there is little or no money. Plus there is the Welsh disease of villagism and it isn't the 1970's.

What the Directors have done is agree to underwrite losses for another year in the hope that the PRO 14 and/or the WRU succeeds in supporting the game.

It is a big risk that neither the Ospreys or Cardiff want to take.

I applaud the Scarlets for that.

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Post Re: Leigh Halfpenny poised to join Scarlets on dual contract
Langland Exile wrote:
Tony Panties wrote:
Langland Exile wrote:
Good to see a regional team invest for success.


That is a little tongue in cheek??

Undoubtedly Scarlets have built a successful squad and recruited a fine architect in the Coach.

Scores on the doors and an impressive performance and they are set up well for some progression this Season.
They have spent well but the Pro world has another aspect... paying the piper.
A 1.5m previous deficit and a shaky going concern cannot be swept away.

They have truly built a fine squad and importantly seem to have developed a team ethic and a squad well motivated.

The best investment has been Pivac and the development of Stephen Jones alongside

On the subject of investment there has been criticism from Scarlet supporters on the allocation of DCs ... maybe some recognition of WRU investment in JD and 1/2P should also be recognised.

Now the important phase : consolidation of their on the field performance and broader success and a turnaround in the business side.

I feel that they could be truly progressive but with a nagging doubt if the financials will be sufficient. Progressive teams also suffer talent spotting and big cheques and that includes the Coach ... 1/2P at the end of the day is just a better goal kicking replacement for Liam W.

Jury out but undoubtedly the most progressive Region with a performing squad and an excellent Coach and apparently a fine ambiance with a business aspect Achilles heel.

Llanelli fans ... vote with your feet and attract some people that matter ... Sponsors and investors.


No it wasn't tongue in cheek, you missed the point completely.

They have an excellent coach and coaching group, agreed.
They also have recruited players well and built their skills levels, agreed.
There is competition for every position on the field, and the Cup Semi and Final were won without their 2 best front 5 forwards, Owens and Ball.

What they can't cure is the lack of support. Llanelli is a miserable place, and rugby just not seem to get people's interest, and there is little or no money. Plus there is the Welsh disease of villagism and it isn't the 1970's.

What the Directors have done is agree to underwrite losses for another year in the hope that the PRO 14 and/or the WRU succeeds in supporting the game.

It is a big risk that neither the Ospreys or Cardiff want to take.

I applaud the Scarlets for that.


In summarry the Board has embarked on a significant short term risk investment route on an insecure basis if the Accounts Going Concern is valid, I suggest you read it and, as you say, 'hopé related...hrdly sound.

Pls also put my positive comments and congrats into account too ;)

I dont hink I missed the point completely or even partially.

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We have different backgrounds, Terry, thus different perspectives.

I have been an entrepreneur for the last 15 years, after 25 years of major corporate life, you were a major corporate guy virtually all your career.

I have become a cheque writer not a payroll recipient and see risk from a different perspective. Facing losses, it is hard to keep writing the new cheques, despite the on field performance.

That is why I think the Board has taken a very brave decision. Arguably extending Tadgh Berne for a year would be a better bet, but the politics of the WRU issuing a release they "they are bringing Halfpenny home" has to be factored in. ;)

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We have different backgrounds, Terry, thus different perspectives.

I have been an entrepreneur for the last 15 years, after 25 years of major corporate life, you were a major corporate guy virtually all your career.

I have become a cheque writer not a payroll recipient and see risk from a different perspective. Facing losses, it is hard to keep writing the new cheques, despite the on field performance.

That is why I think the Board has taken a very brave decision. Arguably extending Tadgh Berne for a year would be a better bet, but the politics of the WRU issuing a release they "they are bringing Halfpenny home" has to be factored in. ;)


It's all about beating the competition on and off the field ie with the product and the bottom line ;)

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Langland Exile wrote:
We have different backgrounds, Terry, thus different perspectives.

I have been an entrepreneur for the last 15 years, after 25 years of major corporate life, you were a major corporate guy virtually all your career.

I have become a cheque writer not a payroll recipient and see risk from a different perspective. Facing losses, it is hard to keep writing the new cheques, despite the on field performance.

That is why I think the Board has taken a very brave decision. Arguably extending Tadgh Berne for a year would be a better bet, but the politics of the WRU issuing a release they "they are bringing Halfpenny home" has to be factored in. ;)


It's all about beating the competition on and off the field ie with the product and the bottom line ;)


That's quite naive...politics are far more important..

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Langland Exile wrote:
Tony Panties wrote:
Langland Exile wrote:
We have different backgrounds, Terry, thus different perspectives.

I have been an entrepreneur for the last 15 years, after 25 years of major corporate life, you were a major corporate guy virtually all your career.

I have become a cheque writer not a payroll recipient and see risk from a different perspective. Facing losses, it is hard to keep writing the new cheques, despite the on field performance.

That is why I think the Board has taken a very brave decision. Arguably extending Tadgh Berne for a year would be a better bet, but the politics of the WRU issuing a release they "they are bringing Halfpenny home" has to be factored in. ;)


It's all about beating the competition on and off the field ie with the product and the bottom line ;)


That's quite naive...politics are far more important..


Politics just part of the gambit and essential for positioning and influence.

Each particular sector varies in importance of the components?

I used the simple analogy because the product can be interpreted in different ways e;g a precicise win or perhaps a marketing advantage etc ...and the bottom line similarly with an example being an increased share price, profit or a new product to market etc ..

Just generalising really/

With the Scarlets, a simple version, they have to balance their on the field record over whatever timeframe and the business affordability and continued feasibility in direct opposition to their peers.

One could, of course, further complicate matters by adding in the quality feed that they can provide to the upper echelon...etc

All boils down to relative win/lose even with philanthropic projects.

If this continues I'll introduce a favourite topic of the audit aspect :D

Best stick to the scores on the doors at the end of the Season and the appropriate Accounts bottom line eh? even if there's another facet of strategic well being etc.. ;)

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Halfpenny knows a good thing which is why he is choosing Llanelli. :D


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