It is currently Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:49 am




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 39 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next
Disciplinary hearing re Steff Evans 
Author Message
Online
World XV Player

Joined: Thu Jul 21, 2011 11:50 am
Posts: 5293
Post Disciplinary hearing re Steff Evans
Anyone know when Steff has to face the Disciplinary panel?


Mon May 22, 2017 12:10 pm
Profile E-mail
British & Irish Lions Player

Joined: Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:25 pm
Posts: 2082
Location: On a very steep hill
Post Re: Disciplinary hearing re Steff Evans
Normally the same week isn't it? 2/3 weeks/games I'd expect

_________________
I'm politically correct, a social justice warrior, a Snowflake and a male feminist ......apparently
I'm also a dopey *bar steward* a childish fukkwit and a liar


Mon May 22, 2017 12:55 pm
Profile E-mail
Online
World XV Player

Joined: Thu Jul 21, 2011 11:50 am
Posts: 5293
Post Re: Disciplinary hearing re Steff Evans
Big And Dull wrote:
Normally the same week isn't it? 2/3 weeks/games I'd expect

I'm hoping that the hearing will find that it was completely unintentional. Which it obviously was.
If anything Samson Lee's intervention in the tackle caused the problem.


Mon May 22, 2017 1:26 pm
Profile E-mail
British & Irish Lions Player

Joined: Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:25 pm
Posts: 2082
Location: On a very steep hill
Post Re: Disciplinary hearing re Steff Evans
Ah. the one eyes are back

_________________
I'm politically correct, a social justice warrior, a Snowflake and a male feminist ......apparently
I'm also a dopey *bar steward* a childish fukkwit and a liar


Mon May 22, 2017 1:38 pm
Profile E-mail
World XV Player
User avatar

Joined: Thu May 06, 2004 5:40 pm
Posts: 59361
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Post Re: Disciplinary hearing re Steff Evans
Big And Dull wrote:
Ah. the one eyes are back


If you actually watch what happened and have a brain, you might see why.. ;)

Given it's an Irish panel, and the Irish are well, Irish..I expect he won't be allowed to play whatever the facts.

_________________
We are all in the gutter but me and my mam are looking at the stars!


Mon May 22, 2017 2:18 pm
Profile
World XV Player
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 19, 2015 10:37 pm
Posts: 10607
Post Re: Disciplinary hearing re Steff Evans
Langland Exile wrote:
Big And Dull wrote:
Ah. the one eyes are back


If you actually watch what happened and have a brain, you might see why.. ;)

Given it's an Irish panel, and the Irish are well, Irish..I expect he won't be allowed to play whatever the facts.


Problem is David ...as discussed, the ref was right in terms of the law snd specific instruction in terms of this event, head om ground etc ...

Now the issue is how to draw a line when the event didn't warrant much beyond a red (red it certainly was) ... to give zero extension could cause precedence and somewhat ameliorate the offence.

Incidentally, in the current climate Warbs would have had significantly more than he did.

_________________
ImageEasy to consider past and present, it's the future and associated plan and strategy to achieve that takes the talent ..


Mon May 22, 2017 2:40 pm
Profile
World XV Player
User avatar

Joined: Fri Dec 05, 2008 12:39 am
Posts: 11429
Location: Neath Valley
Post Re: Disciplinary hearing re Steff Evans
The sending off was correct according to the law, so it was correct. However further sanctioning an accidental tip tackle would serve little effect as accidents happen. The mitigating circumstance being the height he was lifted was not above the waste, he merely managed to tip below it, lifting in the tackle is not illegal indeed it is desirable, they can never take that out of the game, the game would be finished.

_________________
"Business!' cried the Ghost, wringing its hands again. "Mankind was my business; charity, mercy, forbearance, and benevolence, were, all, my business. The deals of my trade were but a drop of water in the comprehensive ocean of my business!”
“None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free.”
"The price of anything is the amount of life you exchange for


Mon May 22, 2017 2:58 pm
Profile E-mail
World XV Player
User avatar

Joined: Tue Apr 27, 2004 7:28 pm
Posts: 10868
Location: Plymouth
Post Re: Disciplinary hearing re Steff Evans
Lifting isn't illegal, but if you pick someone up, you have to put them down, and if you pick them up and fail to put them down safely you should be punished heavily. Lifting may be desirable, but it is far from a necessary tenet of the game, quite the opposite in actual fact

_________________
Just for one moment I thought I'd found my way, then destiny unfolded, and I watched it slip away


Mon May 22, 2017 3:02 pm
Profile E-mail WWW
Online
World XV Player

Joined: Thu Jul 21, 2011 11:50 am
Posts: 5293
Post Re: Disciplinary hearing re Steff Evans
Blindside wrote:
The sending off was correct according to the law, so it was correct. However further sanctioning an accidental tip tackle would serve little effect as accidents happen. The mitigating circumstance being the height he was lifted was not above the waste, he merely managed to tip below it, lifting in the tackle is not illegal indeed it is desirable, they can never take that out of the game, the game would be finished.

I've watched this incidence at several different speeds, Samson's intervention in the tackle definitely contributed to the end result. It was and can only be accidental. The letter of the law prevailed, but the saying 'The Law is an ass' is very applicable to this situation.
Red it was according to the 'law' but should there be any more sanctions, I hope not.


Mon May 22, 2017 3:06 pm
Profile E-mail
Online
World XV Player

Joined: Thu Jul 21, 2011 11:50 am
Posts: 5293
Post Re: Disciplinary hearing re Steff Evans
BigRed wrote:
Blindside wrote:
The sending off was correct according to the law, so it was correct. However further sanctioning an accidental tip tackle would serve little effect as accidents happen. The mitigating circumstance being the height he was lifted was not above the waste, he merely managed to tip below it, lifting in the tackle is not illegal indeed it is desirable, they can never take that out of the game, the game would be finished.

I've watched this incidence at several different speeds, Samson's intervention in the tackle definitely contributed to the end result. It was and can only be accidental. The letter of the law prevailed, but the saying 'The Law is an ass' is very applicable to this situation.
Red it was according to the 'law' but should there be any more sanctions, I hope not.

"The law is an ass," is said of the application of a law that is contrary to common sense.


Mon May 22, 2017 3:09 pm
Profile E-mail
World XV Player
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 19, 2015 10:37 pm
Posts: 10607
Post Re: Disciplinary hearing re Steff Evans
The essence of the new emphsis is duty and care of the tackled p,ayer although I do admit how one can temper that in the helter and skelter of a rugby match. However, that is the slant.

_________________
ImageEasy to consider past and present, it's the future and associated plan and strategy to achieve that takes the talent ..


Mon May 22, 2017 3:32 pm
Profile
World XV Player
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 19, 2015 10:37 pm
Posts: 10607
Post Re: Disciplinary hearing re Steff Evans
The essence of the new emphasis is duty and care of the tackled player although I do admit how one can temper that in the helter and skelter of a rugby match. However, that is the slant.

_________________
ImageEasy to consider past and present, it's the future and associated plan and strategy to achieve that takes the talent ..


Mon May 22, 2017 3:32 pm
Profile
World XV Player
User avatar

Joined: Tue Apr 27, 2004 7:28 pm
Posts: 10868
Location: Plymouth
Post Re: Disciplinary hearing re Steff Evans
I think it's fairly clear that rugby is in a difficult spot. The emphasis on player safety is not necessarily compatible with the actual game itself.

_________________
Just for one moment I thought I'd found my way, then destiny unfolded, and I watched it slip away


Mon May 22, 2017 3:37 pm
Profile E-mail WWW
World XV Player
User avatar

Joined: Fri Dec 05, 2008 12:39 am
Posts: 11429
Location: Neath Valley
Post Re: Disciplinary hearing re Steff Evans
CymraegJanner wrote:
Lifting isn't illegal, but if you pick someone up, you have to put them down, and if you pick them up and fail to put them down safely you should be punished heavily. Lifting may be desirable, but it is far from a necessary tenet of the game, quite the opposite in actual fact


Well you dont have to put them down safely, you are punished for lifting their hips above their head. You can lift them drive them back and smash your whole weight into their midriff or lower chest. You are responsible for their safety when lifting their hips above their waiste. The point being the tackle is often a contest of power, you shut his power off when you lift him. The tackler is as often more often injured than the player tackled, so you cannot hamper his physicality in that area. Rugby is a contact sport and lifting a player to negate his power (legs) is a "necessary tenet" even at under 9 level (first season tackling) it would be part of the tuition, in part to keep the tackler safe in a head on tackle.

_________________
"Business!' cried the Ghost, wringing its hands again. "Mankind was my business; charity, mercy, forbearance, and benevolence, were, all, my business. The deals of my trade were but a drop of water in the comprehensive ocean of my business!”
“None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free.”
"The price of anything is the amount of life you exchange for


Mon May 22, 2017 3:49 pm
Profile E-mail
World XV Player
User avatar

Joined: Tue Apr 27, 2004 7:28 pm
Posts: 10868
Location: Plymouth
Post Re: Disciplinary hearing re Steff Evans
Blindside wrote:
CymraegJanner wrote:
Lifting isn't illegal, but if you pick someone up, you have to put them down, and if you pick them up and fail to put them down safely you should be punished heavily. Lifting may be desirable, but it is far from a necessary tenet of the game, quite the opposite in actual fact


Well you dont have to put them down safely, you are punished for lifting their hips above their head. You can lift them drive them back and smash your whole weight into their midriff or lower chest. You are responsible for their safety when lifting their hips above their waiste. The point being the tackle is often a contest of power, you shut his power off when you lift him. The tackler is as often more often injured than the player tackled, so you cannot hamper his physicality in that area. Rugby is a contact sport and lifting a player to negate his power (legs) is a "necessary tenet" even at under 9 level (first season tackling) it would be part of the tuition, in part to keep the tackler safe in a head on tackle.

I understand how tackling works thanks, shame you don't.

There is no requirement to tackle a player and lift and negate power.

The prescribed technique for tackling by all unions at all levels is to step in with leading leg, go head behind ass, wrap arms and roll with the tackle.

Quote:
even at under 9 level (first season tackling) it would be part of the tuition, in part to keep the tackler safe in a head on tackle

What you've written there is utter *fupping* drivel

_________________
Just for one moment I thought I'd found my way, then destiny unfolded, and I watched it slip away


Mon May 22, 2017 4:21 pm
Profile E-mail WWW
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 39 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: BigRed and 7 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to: