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Tony Panties wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:
Tony - maybe another way of explaining what I've calculated.

These figures include attendances for Round 17 this weekend.

Comparing attendances with same matches as last season, here's how the four countries compare:

Ireland - 427,794 - up 23,626 on same games last season
Wales - 237,040 - up 5,259 on last season
Scotland - 109011 - up 1781 on last season
Italy - 35,101 - down 5,722 on last season.

That makes a total of 808,946 with a net increase of 24,944 on the same games last season.
I also worked out averages and comparisons with last season's end averages.

Ireland 50,700 - up 2,519 : 5.23%
Wales 27577 - down 5,063 : -(15.51%)
Scotland 12915 - up 630 : 5.13%
Italy - 4,629 - down 910 : (-16.44%)

Total 95,821 - down 2,824 : (-2.86%)

Another comparison is by Latest Round.
Last year up to end of Round 17 was 747,287
This year up to Round 17 is 808,946 - an increase of 61,659 on same time last season.


Thks PH and apologies for causing extra work, appreciated :thumbup:

Yes our figures correspond.

It's debatable which way you take as the best tracking ? :

-Round against round may miss big irish matches especially dependent on comparison of fixture list

whilst

-End of Season does include the likes of Judgement day inflation but at the end of the day that's the target perspective.

PS I exclude play offs from Club comparisons because it's not apples and apples but do include it in the overall comparison y-o-y

I like your capacity v attendance stats and I'd like a copy of the Season end stats. I have the equivalent of French Top14 etc and it would be a good comparison opportunity.

I also track the Aviva equivalent

Maybe at the end of the Season we can share some data ... I use graphics to a large extent.

Good to talk to you! and thks for the update.

I'll be updating my stats probably tomorrow


Thanks Tony for the feedback and comments. No problem sending you the data I've collated. My attempts at posting tables doesn't work very well - perhaps I should try saving them as graphic files and then seeing if I could post them. Alternatively, creating graphics from them might be the better way to approach it. Must have a look at that at some stage.

Cheers PH


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Nice ones PH! ;)

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I didn't realise Murrayfield was smaller than the Liberty, which the graph implies :D :P

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I didn't realise Murrayfield was smaller than the Liberty, which the graph implies :D :P


Do Edinburgh always play at Murrayfield? On Friday they played at another ground.


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You're both correct. The actual figure of 67,000 would mean Edinburgh have 12% of their available capacity combined with their new home ground at Myerside (5,500).

So I set Murrayfiekd capacity at 25,000 as a maximum that Edinburgh would ever achieve which I think is based on the lower section only. Happy to be corrected/admonished on this point. They've played 5 at Murrayfiekd and 3 at Myerside.


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Pot Hale wrote:
You're both correct. The actual figure of 67,000 would mean Edinburgh have 12% of their available capacity combined with their new home ground at Myerside (5,500).

So I set Murrayfiekd capacity at 25,000 as a maximum that Edinburgh would ever achieve which I think is based on the lower section only. Happy to be corrected/admonished on this point. They've played 5 at Murrayfiekd and 3 at Myerside.


Sound man.. :thumbup:

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Cymru am byth wrote:
Langland Exile wrote:
I didn't realise Murrayfield was smaller than the Liberty, which the graph implies :D :P


Do Edinburgh always play at Murrayfield? On Friday they played at another ground.


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Latest update on PRO12 attendances after Round 18


There's been 859,010 through the gates of 107 games so far compared to 798,111 last season on same round. That's a net increase of 60,899.

Across the four nations, the split on attendances looks like this:

Ireland - 454,382 Up +64,017
Wales - 248,465 Up + 8,376
Scotland -116,362 Down -3,214
Italy - 039,801 Down -8,280

The average attendance for all games across the league has had a slight increase from 7,389 to 8,028.

Average crowds across the four nations compared to end of last season is:

Ireland - 50,109 - up 4.17%
Wales - 27,607 - down 15.47%
Scotland - 12,929 - up 5.24%
Italy - 4,422 - down 20.16%

That's a net decrease in average crowds of -3.54% for the league to date compared to end of last season, with four rounds to go. which hopefully will give a boost to flagging figures with the planned Big Weekends 5 & 6 of derby matches coming up in the next few weeks.

The home attendance by each team compared to available capacities continues. Ulster (87%), Glasgow (75%) and Connacht (74%) are the top 3 at filling their available capacity.

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And the Away Team Attraction League looks like this.

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As you say, the forthcoming big derbies ought to boost this season's end-of-year attendance figures compared to last season. And pardon my ignorance, but what do you mean by away attendance? If Scarlets are playing away to Munster, then who is being counted?


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As you say, the forthcoming big derbies ought to boost this season's end-of-year attendance figures compared to last season. And pardon my ignorance, but what do you mean by away attendance? If Scarlets are playing away to Munster, then who is being counted?



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As you say, the forthcoming big derbies ought to boost this season's end-of-year attendance figures compared to last season. And pardon my ignorance, but what do you mean by away attendance? If Scarlets are playing away to Munster, then who is being counted?


Home attendance is number of spectators at home games, so away attendance is the number at away games, i.e. the total who were present at each team's away games across the league.

In theory, it's supposed to show which opponents are the more attractive draws for supporters, i.e. if the Ospreys got 5k vs Zebre and 8k vs Leinster, and the Dragons got 4k and 6k, then Leinster's "Away Attendance" is 14k and Zebre's 9k, which suggests Leinster is a bigger draw for fans at other stadiums (and perhaps they also have more travelling fans).

In practice, most teams will have a similar Away attendance, which will be fairly close to the average attendance of the league as a whole, because all teams have to play once at every other stadium in the league. Particularly in a competition like the Pro12 it's very skewed by factors like how close teams are to one another (I would expect the Welsh regions' Away Attendance to be higher than the average, because all four are very near to each other and fans can travel between them easily, whilst the Italians have a lower average Away attendance because it's simply not practical for their supporters to travel all over Europe). I never think it really tells you much that the Average Home Attendance does.


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In my opinion away attendance is only relevant for derbies and that applies across leagues.

Ireland or Italy is not a significant anamoly when you consider the distances between, for example, some french teams.

Also there's the example of offsite venues, Nzntes and Lille are particular examples in the Top14 where they are popular offsite venues where they attract a good gate irrespective of who is playing and the proximity of the match opponents.

The biggest anomaly of all is the saving face attendance of Dragons and Blues wrt the Judgement day jolly.which skews their attendance against that of Scarlets and Osps who have another aspect of the deal.

PS Having researched the subject in the past ticket prices dont advantage some teams big gates as dome have suggested.

Special S Ticks offers further discolour the picture where e.g 2 for the price of one may skew the attendance reporting where Season ticks are automatically counted in ....

Having wrestled with the subject for a long time ...Attendance stats are a zoo but are useful as indicators where TREND can be considered?

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Where were you able to find out how many away fans are attending games in the Pro 12? And are these numbers based on just this season?

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