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I put Norton's Security on this old XP machine of me and now it's like a dead dog ... it's fan is gaspin' like a miner of old in the next bed.

I went to PC World and looked at their stock and the labels were all over the place and the kit on show not representative ..(This was in The Poole Shop, so as not to piss off others). 'Experts' were in groups talking to each other and the vast barren wasteland was devoid of help.

I looked at the machines on show, but like I said the prices and tickets didn't match up. I wanted a machine that my Wife could use yet could play the game I got for last Christmas .. do you think I could find any help whatsoever? Not at bloody all.

I wandered round and saw a blue tooth receiver that I could plug into my '70's hifi for £30 so I settled on that.

I went home and by the magic of electricity and PC's transferred my PC money 50:50 into my daughters accounts.

PC World can go screw themselves, I have spent my money ... my Daughter's will smile :-)


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The most important lesson from this is......never use Norton...ever!

What ever possessed you?
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go into Curry's and ask if they have any end of range PC's or laptops going cheap

it'll be less the 12 months old but 'obsolete'

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Or go into W.H.Smith and get a mag called Linux User. Install the free program on the cover disk, and use your old computer, just test it off the dvd drive first, Then When you are happy get one of these to make it fly.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/SanDisk-PLUS-Sata-inch-Internal/dp/B01F9G414U/ref=sr_1_2?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1503184956&sr=1-2&keywords=ssd

You will hate coming back to windows.

( suggest Linux Mint 16.0 as it is very Windows like )

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I used to use Unix, it had an editor called VI, named after some tart on Coronation Street. Recently I have been using github to access stuff on the cloud and the command line is just as much fun (?). One of my hobbies is 'Colour Management' and recently realised that 'LittleCMS' is quite nifty and is available on Linux and I was thinking about getting a BeagleBone Black to mess around with it on. ArgyllCMS is the real backbone software wise though for colour profiling etc. Again it is command line driven but I can get better photographic output from DNP printers (Like in Boots) than they can with their profiles, so I like that and aren't scared of Linux.

Thing is, and this is the kicker, My Wife knows how to use our current and sleepy XP that is struggling with the demands of this Norton stuff, so Linux would be like changing from Star TreK to Star Wars.

Why Norton ..it was £25 in PC World for 10 machines and I wanted to do some online banking.

Mint 16 sounds a plan, I do have an old pentium gathering dust upstairs that, having been prompted, will load it on. :-)


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LLanrumneyOik wrote:
I used to use Unix, it had an editor called VI, named after some tart on Coronation Street. Recently I have been using github to access stuff on the cloud and the command line is just as much fun (?). One of my hobbies is 'Colour Management' and recently realised that 'LittleCMS' is quite nifty and is available on Linux and I was thinking about getting a BeagleBone Black to mess around with it on. ArgyllCMS is the real backbone software wise though for colour profiling etc. Again it is command line driven but I can get better photographic output from DNP printers (Like in Boots) than they can with their profiles, so I like that and aren't scared of Linux.

Thing is, and this is the kicker, My Wife knows how to use our current and sleepy XP that is struggling with the demands of this Norton stuff, so Linux would be like changing from Star TreK to Star Wars.

Why Norton ..it was £25 in PC World for 10 machines and I wanted to do some online banking.

Mint 16 sounds a plan, I do have an old pentium gathering dust upstairs that, having been prompted, will load it on. :-)
Norton is not that good and take an enormous amount of memory to run.

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LLanrumneyOik wrote:
I used to use Unix, it had an editor called VI, named after some tart on Coronation Street. Recently I have been using github to access stuff on the cloud and the command line is just as much fun (?). One of my hobbies is 'Colour Management' and recently realised that 'LittleCMS' is quite nifty and is available on Linux and I was thinking about getting a BeagleBone Black to mess around with it on. ArgyllCMS is the real backbone software wise though for colour profiling etc. Again it is command line driven but I can get better photographic output from DNP printers (Like in Boots) than they can with their profiles, so I like that and aren't scared of Linux.

Thing is, and this is the kicker, My Wife knows how to use our current and sleepy XP that is struggling with the demands of this Norton stuff, so Linux would be like changing from Star TreK to Star Wars.

Why Norton ..it was £25 in PC World for 10 machines and I wanted to do some online banking.

Mint 16 sounds a plan, I do have an old pentium gathering dust upstairs that, having been prompted, will load it on. :-)


(as you probably know) Linux is just the handling system. You run the same 'stuff' on it and if feels exactly the same.
I know little of graphics progs but what ever you load should feel exactly the same from within the program.

For instance, running Fire fox to come here will be identical, you will not realise there is a difference.
Some very specialised stuff requires tweaking, but there are so many help groups you wil soon find/learn what you need.
The advantage is that when they say click this link and get it, it goes to the place and it is there, (usually) free and no scam to download this load of crap and be told you need to run this scan and buy our driver finding engine at just ££££

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Norton is awful. It and McAffee are the top 2 resource hog security software suites available. Simply put, dont use it!

I use Argyll CMS on windows. Its got a nice gui plugin (DispCal) which works perfectly well.

Also, an XP machine really shouldnt be connected to the internet these days.

If you dont want a powerful PC you can get a cheap desktop that'll more than do the job for a few hundred pounds. You'd be insane to consider PC world though.

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String wrote:
Norton is awful. It and McAffee are the top 2 resource hog security software suites available. Simply put, dont use it!

I use Argyll CMS on windows. Its got a nice gui plugin (DispCal) which works perfectly well.

Also, an XP machine really shouldnt be connected to the internet these days.

If you dont want a powerful PC you can get a cheap desktop that'll more than do the job for a few hundred pounds. You'd be insane to consider PC world though.


This is the problem though. There is no such thing as an XP machine, just a machine still running XP.
MOST machines running XP will run fine on Win 10, or better still Linux. They are not committed to XP.
ITS the system that is out of date, or rather lacking support and upgrades.
People are told to dump a computer when its still perfectly usable, maybe needing an upgrade.

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String wrote:
Norton is awful. It and McAffee are the top 2 resource hog security software suites available. Simply put, dont use it!

I use Argyll CMS on windows. Its got a nice gui plugin (DispCal) which works perfectly well.

Also, an XP machine really shouldnt be connected to the internet these days.

If you dont want a powerful PC you can get a cheap desktop that'll more than do the job for a few hundred pounds. You'd be insane to consider PC world though.



I like the 'insane togo to PC World' bit :-)

I did look at DispCal Gui but figured it just 'dressed up' the decision making.. you still have to know what you are doing in the first place after all.

I have an i1 Pro2 and a shed load of useless X-Rite software so hence Argyll. Argyll unfortunately treats the Pro 2 as the original and all it's extra features are ignored. But, to be honest, it isn't a problem.

The main difference between Argyll and LittleCMS is in the quality of the 'Device Links', I feel that LittleCMS are a tad too easy and are like a train crash waiting to happen.


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LLanrumneyOik wrote:
String wrote:
Norton is awful. It and McAffee are the top 2 resource hog security software suites available. Simply put, dont use it!

I use Argyll CMS on windows. Its got a nice gui plugin (DispCal) which works perfectly well.

Also, an XP machine really shouldnt be connected to the internet these days.

If you dont want a powerful PC you can get a cheap desktop that'll more than do the job for a few hundred pounds. You'd be insane to consider PC world though.



I like the 'insane togo to PC World' bit :-)

I did look at DispCal Gui but figured it just 'dressed up' the decision making.. you still have to know what you are doing in the first place after all.

I have an i1 Pro2 and a shed load of useless X-Rite software so hence Argyll. Argyll unfortunately treats the Pro 2 as the original and all it's extra features are ignored. But, to be honest, it isn't a problem.

The main difference between Argyll and LittleCMS is in the quality of the 'Device Links', I feel that LittleCMS are a tad too easy and are like a train crash waiting to happen.


LittleCMS is on SourceForge for Linux. I dont know what it is, but its there

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soap wrote:

LittleCMS is on SourceForge for Linux. I dont know what it is, but its there


Every computer monitor, printer, camera, TV or projector has its own way of showing colour and they rarely match up. I use ArgyllCms to 'profile how a device 'understands' colour .. I give it known colours and then measure the result it gives. These results profile the particular device's capabilities.

I use LittleCMS to 'join' my camera's profile to my printer's profile in what's called a 'device link'. That way what I see through the lense when I take the photo is linked from the Camera to the Printer clearing out their colour differences and the print looks not half bad :-)


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LLanrumneyOik wrote:
soap wrote:

LittleCMS is on SourceForge for Linux. I dont know what it is, but its there


Every computer monitor, printer, camera, TV or projector has its own way of showing colour and they rarely match up. I use ArgyllCms to 'profile how a device 'understands' colour .. I give it known colours and then measure the result it gives. These results profile the particular device's capabilities.

I use LittleCMS to 'join' my camera's profile to my printer's profile in what's called a 'device link'. That way what I see through the lense when I take the photo is linked from the Camera to the Printer clearing out their colour differences and the print looks not half bad :-)



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LLanrumneyOik wrote:
I did look at DispCal Gui but figured it just 'dressed up' the decision making.. you still have to know what you are doing in the first place after all.


Dispcal is just a GUI wrapper, all it does is generate command line arguments to feed into Argyl. I switched to it purely because the x-rite software was terrible and had issues on windows with it just getting reset to defaults during a session. Argyll is more persistent so doesnt screw me up mid edit if i get another prompt or log off for a few minutes.

It does sometimes generate a bizarre profile which has way too little contrast which has caught me out a few times when ive viewed elsewhere and the results are horrible. Generally though its fine for me. I do 80% photo and 20% video work on it using laptop or sometimes an external monitor.

Windows 10 does seem to have an issue where certain things like the UAC popping up, a screen saver and so on will reset the gamma to default.

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String wrote:
LLanrumneyOik wrote:
It does sometimes generate a bizarre profile which has way too little contrast which has caught me out a few times when ive viewed elsewhere and the results are horrible. Generally though its fine for me. I do 80% photo and 20% video work on it using laptop or sometimes an external monitor.



My main interest is in the printing side of things. I used to use a thing called Scorcerer and did the work in CMY. X-Rite to their eternal disgrace can only do CMYK as a minimum .. so hence Argyll. Having met Argyll I stuck with it even through to RGB even though X-Rite could at least handle that. Argyll's device links win over LittleCMS because of the gamut matching rather than blind calculation. I'll be honest I am probably only a purple belt with Argyll but the message streams etc are so bloody difficult and arcadian that forum help is next to nothing. It is very much a personal journey and to be quite honest amusing that we meet in the same colour bar :-)


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