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well the shit hit the fan for the Osprey's

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and also ruled out a perfectly good O's try. That's not 2 examples of having no influencing the game.


You're forgetting the try he awarded them with a clearly forward pass in the build up.

Referee had no effect on the outcome of this game. If you can't beat a side playing a man down for 40 minutes, at home then its your own fault.

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Yes the O's were poor and part of their own down fall. But to say the ref didn't influence the game is ridiculous.

State should have had a man sent off in the first 1/2 and also ruled out a perfectly good O's try. That's not 2 examples of having no influencing the game.


Yes the ref was poor, his decisions questionable, the 'knock on ' failed try probably the worst? etc

but Osps were dire, Stade didn't seem to care in the first 20,...the defence was v poor, the attitude suspect .... and all of a sudden it dawned that the Osps were very suspect and they were in with a chance and they gave it a go. Osps continued with poor options and execution.

Biggar can't keep his cool, Webb became a liability, Giles exposed his lack of experience in spades, SamD was v iffy on noccasions and the forwards disappointing and the scrum awful.

Ref didn't compensate for that?


All of that about the O's is true. And a good team wouldn't have made those mistakes and still won. But as bad as the O's were, the ref had a material impact on the game that went against the O's and cost them victory. The O's lost by 4 points. As you said stade were not interested 1st half. Imagine how they would have felt down to 14 for the rest of the game and behind to biggars try?

O's were very poor, but they didn't need the ref to compensate for that. They needed him to be competent. We're not talking about subjective calls at the breakdown, we're talking about a clear red card, and a ball that changes flight when knocked back by stade.

So as terrible as the O's were, they lost by 4 points in a game where the ref made wrong calls that amounted to more than that, not during the split second of the game, but after multiple replays.



What about the possible (looked pretty obvious to me) forward pass for the Os first try?


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mr messy wrote:
and also ruled out a perfectly good O's try. That's not 2 examples of having no influencing the game.


You're forgetting the try he awarded them with a clearly forward pass in the build up.

Referee had no effect on the outcome of this game. If you can't beat a side playing a man down for 40 minutes, at home then its your own fault.


Of course he had an effect. he didn't issue a red card for a clear stamp. I not sure how that event could have had more of an impact? just because the o's were poor, it should excuse the ref.

The 2nd bit is also true.


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mr messy wrote:
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mr messy wrote:
Yes the O's were poor and part of their own down fall. But to say the ref didn't influence the game is ridiculous.

State should have had a man sent off in the first 1/2 and also ruled out a perfectly good O's try. That's not 2 examples of having no influencing the game.


Yes the ref was poor, his decisions questionable, the 'knock on ' failed try probably the worst? etc

but Osps were dire, Stade didn't seem to care in the first 20,...the defence was v poor, the attitude suspect .... and all of a sudden it dawned that the Osps were very suspect and they were in with a chance and they gave it a go. Osps continued with poor options and execution.

Biggar can't keep his cool, Webb became a liability, Giles exposed his lack of experience in spades, SamD was v iffy on noccasions and the forwards disappointing and the scrum awful.

Ref didn't compensate for that?


All of that about the O's is true. And a good team wouldn't have made those mistakes and still won. But as bad as the O's were, the ref had a material impact on the game that went against the O's and cost them victory. The O's lost by 4 points. As you said stade were not interested 1st half. Imagine how they would have felt down to 14 for the rest of the game and behind to biggars try?

O's were very poor, but they didn't need the ref to compensate for that. They needed him to be competent. We're not talking about subjective calls at the breakdown, we're talking about a clear red card, and a ball that changes flight when knocked back by stade.

So as terrible as the O's were, they lost by 4 points in a game where the ref made wrong calls that amounted to more than that, not during the split second of the game, but after multiple replays.



What about the possible (looked pretty obvious to me) forward pass for the Os first try?


it was tight, and don't think there was an angle that clearly showed either way.

but awarding a potential dubious try shouldn't offset the lack of a red card and

I'm not blaming the ref for the loss. the O's could have / shoulda have etc still won but caused their own downfall. just point out that saying the ref didn't impact on the game is wrong imo


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Warren ball, is now starting to impact on all Wales teams.
It worked for awhile aided and abetted by some good wins in 6N and 3 Grand Slams.
The problem is that we've forgotten our flair, it's now virtually non existent.
Our 'big' boys we had in the back line is now matched and bettered by most of the other teams.
Our half backs have now been schooled to 'play to the plan', they've forgotten how to vary the game.
This was laid bare in Ospreys loss to Benetton Treviso and Wales loss to Scotland.
So, where to now? Difficult to know because we have destroyed to players with real rugby skills, the players that play what's in front of them and developed players that can only play to coached instructions.
As long as they play to coaches instructions they can make myriads of mistakes.
BUT, the likes of Hook, Priestland and Henson make one mistake and it's remembered five years later.
Where are the players with the rugby skills to replace those types of players.
Callum Sheedy? But he doesn't want to play for Wales.
The more I see of Rhys Patchell, he may just be the one that can lift Wales going forward.
Rhys is maturing into a very good player, hopefully they don't try to force him to play Warren ball, this won't happen at Parc-y-Scarlets, but could happen once he joins the national set up for the summer tour.


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Patchell!!! You are having a laugh he is too inconsistent, shows some flashes of brilliance one minute to abject shit the next. Ive no idea what the answer is, but it isnt Patchell!


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I thought it was Matthew Morgan

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Patchell!!! You are having a laugh he is too inconsistent, shows some flashes of brilliance one minute to abject shit the next. Ive no idea what the answer is, but it isnt Patchell!

I tend to agree with you, but he is maturing into a solid player and I think we should encourage this. I though at one stage it maybe Sam as the successor to the Wales 10 jersey, but his performance in Italy was nothing short of disaster.
I spotted Priestland way before he became an international then on playing under Gatland became a shadow of himself. I personally think some of the mistakes he made were partly because of wanting to play what was in front of him or toeing the 'party' line, so being in two minds. Then my mates on the benches at Parc-y-Scarlets and the rest of Wales started booing him, it was disgraceful and all but broke the lad. Scarlets have struggled since then to find a good 10 to replace him. Rhys has been the best so far and has improved since leaving the disaster that is 'the Blues'. Let us hope he continues to improve, after all, he is only 23.


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I don't think you can blame this on gatland, or any of the regional coaches. I know that's not the populist view but I think there is an issue with the players

i think there is a cyclical element to it though and it's painful at the moment


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We had the answer sometime ago. There was an emperor and he had a dream. There was once a dream that was Wales winning the RWC. You could only whisper it. Anything more than a whisper and it would vanish... it was so fragile. But Y Gar was only given 18 months to make this dream a reality.

Then came the Messiah. But we all know the messiah is not recognised in his own land. Priestland was that Messiah and we let him slip through our fingers.

I hope my little contribution helped a bit :D

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We had the answer sometime ago. There was an emperor and he had a dream. There was once a dream that was Wales winning the RWC. You could only whisper it. Anything more than a whisper and it would vanish... it was so fragile. But Y Gar was only given 18 months to make this dream a reality.

Then came the Messiah. But we all know the messiah is not recognised in his own land. Priestland was that Messiah and we let him slip through our fingers.

I hope my little contribution helped a bit :D

We have had a few Messiah's but like the Biblical one, we have rejected them.
Like the Biblical people, we are a stiffnecked people, are we not? :D


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BigRed wrote:
ICEverything wrote:
We had the answer sometime ago. There was an emperor and he had a dream. There was once a dream that was Wales winning the RWC. You could only whisper it. Anything more than a whisper and it would vanish... it was so fragile. But Y Gar was only given 18 months to make this dream a reality.

Then came the Messiah. But we all know the messiah is not recognised in his own land. Priestland was that Messiah and we let him slip through our fingers.

I hope my little contribution helped a bit :D

We have had a few Messiah's but like the Biblical one, we have rejected them.
Like the Biblical people, we are a stiffnecked people, are we not? :D


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The disease in the welsh game is none of the regions can convert. The biggest problem is they cant convert from 3m of the line. Its a epidemic in our game. We cant finish. Yesterday and Saturday night the game was there for both teams but they *fupp* off mentally.

The Ospreys lack of composure is obvious as the 9 & 10 are behaving like petulant little children. The pointless penalties and negative comments to the ref isnt helping them.

Is it frustration, confidence or just lack of ability?

I am fed up of watching these teams self destruct game after game. They start well but cannot maintain the concentration and wander.

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Sam Biscuits wrote:
This game is like a re-run of the Leinster match a month or so ago i.e. Ospreys in charge and lost, deservedly. Really hope they can step it up in the second half. Also, how was their winger not given a red? I thought it was a certain red,


Munster you mean, not Leinster (that's on Saturday). Anyway, having attended the match, the three main reasons why the Ospreys lost were (1) uncharacteristically poor execution (do not forget that they are behind only Leinster in being the Pro 12 's biggest try scorers this season) (2) a very dodgy scrum, which in hindsight has been an Achilles heel for the Ospreys since the start of the season (3) an arguably even dodgier referee. And I still think it was incredibly petty not to move the match to the nearby but 'tainted' Parc Y Scarlets, where the 12,500 crowd would have filled up most of the stadium.


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