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Raisuqe was fortunate to be on the pitch long enough to receive a second yellow card, after being sent to the sin-bin for a stamp on his opposite number Keelan Giles in the first half.


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But within two minutes of his eventual dismissal for the lesser crime of being offside at a ruck, Stade were ahead.

Jules Plisson's cross-field kick found Lakafia unmarked wide on the left wing to gather and touch down.


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And when second row Hugh Pyle intercepted Sam Davies' pass he found Arias on his shoulder to score at the posts and the French side were 11 points to the good.


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Ospreys will reflect on a try by Biggar early in the first half which was ruled out for a forward pass, but a creaking scrummage and cool-headed performances from Stade's Sergio Parisse and Will Genia saw them come up short.


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It was Stade's first win away from home this season.


Is the reporter wrong?


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I thought we were poor against Treviso.

But in such an important game we were even worse.

Stade were very ordinary and there for the taking.

Pathetic does not even begin to sum it up :angry4:


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Both the Blues and the O's had huge scrummage problems this weekend. So few decent props have come through over the psst decade.


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Raisuqe was fortunate to be on the pitch long enough to receive a second yellow card, after being sent to the sin-bin for a stamp on his opposite number Keelan Giles in the first half.


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But within two minutes of his eventual dismissal for the lesser crime of being offside at a ruck, Stade were ahead.

Jules Plisson's cross-field kick found Lakafia unmarked wide on the left wing to gather and touch down.


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And when second row Hugh Pyle intercepted Sam Davies' pass he found Arias on his shoulder to score at the posts and the French side were 11 points to the good.


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Ospreys will reflect on a try by Biggar early in the first half which was ruled out for a forward pass, but a creaking scrummage and cool-headed performances from Stade's Sergio Parisse and Will Genia saw them come up short.


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It was Stade's first win away from home this season.


Is the reporter wrong?


That was stated in the match commentary also

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Both the Blues and the O's had huge scrummage problems this weekend. So few decent props have come through over the psst decade.


Got a couple in Llanelli though :thumbup:

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Yes the O's were poor and part of their own down fall. But to say the ref didn't influence the game is ridiculous.

State should have had a man sent off in the first 1/2 and also ruled out a perfectly good O's try. That's not 2 examples of having no influencing the game.


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Yes the O's were poor and part of their own down fall. But to say the ref didn't influence the game is ridiculous.

State should have had a man sent off in the first 1/2 and also ruled out a perfectly good O's try. That's not 2 examples of having no influencing the game.


Yes the ref was poor, his decisions questionable, the 'knock on ' failed try probably the worst? etc

but Osps were dire, Stade didn't seem to care in the first 20,...the defence was v poor, the attitude suspect .... and all of a sudden it dawned that the Osps were very suspect and they were in with a chance and they gave it a go. Osps continued with poor options and execution.

Biggar can't keep his cool, Webb became a liability, Giles exposed his lack of experience in spades, SamD was v iffy on noccasions and the forwards disappointing and the scrum awful.

Ref didn't compensate for that?

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Tony Panties wrote:
mr messy wrote:
Yes the O's were poor and part of their own down fall. But to say the ref didn't influence the game is ridiculous.

State should have had a man sent off in the first 1/2 and also ruled out a perfectly good O's try. That's not 2 examples of having no influencing the game.


Yes the ref was poor, his decisions questionable, the 'knock on ' failed try probably the worst? etc

but Osps were dire, Stade didn't seem to care in the first 20,...the defence was v poor, the attitude suspect .... and all of a sudden it dawned that the Osps were very suspect and they were in with a chance and they gave it a go. Osps continued with poor options and execution.

Biggar can't keep his cool, Webb became a liability, Giles exposed his lack of experience in spades, SamD was v iffy on noccasions and the forwards disappointing and the scrum awful.

Ref didn't compensate for that?


All of that about the O's is true. And a good team wouldn't have made those mistakes and still won. But as bad as the O's were, the ref had a material impact on the game that went against the O's and cost them victory. The O's lost by 4 points. As you said stade were not interested 1st half. Imagine how they would have felt down to 14 for the rest of the game and behind to biggars try?

O's were very poor, but they didn't need the ref to compensate for that. They needed him to be competent. We're not talking about subjective calls at the breakdown, we're talking about a clear red card, and a ball that changes flight when knocked back by stade.

So as terrible as the O's were, they lost by 4 points in a game where the ref made wrong calls that amounted to more than that, not during the split second of the game, but after multiple replays.


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mr messy wrote:
Tony Panties wrote:
mr messy wrote:
Yes the O's were poor and part of their own down fall. But to say the ref didn't influence the game is ridiculous.

State should have had a man sent off in the first 1/2 and also ruled out a perfectly good O's try. That's not 2 examples of having no influencing the game.


Yes the ref was poor, his decisions questionable, the 'knock on ' failed try probably the worst? etc

but Osps were dire, Stade didn't seem to care in the first 20,...the defence was v poor, the attitude suspect .... and all of a sudden it dawned that the Osps were very suspect and they were in with a chance and they gave it a go. Osps continued with poor options and execution.

Biggar can't keep his cool, Webb became a liability, Giles exposed his lack of experience in spades, SamD was v iffy on noccasions and the forwards disappointing and the scrum awful.

Ref didn't compensate for that?


All of that about the O's is true. And a good team wouldn't have made those mistakes and still won. But as bad as the O's were, the ref had a material impact on the game that went against the O's and cost them victory. The O's lost by 4 points. As you said stade were not interested 1st half. Imagine how they would have felt down to 14 for the rest of the game and behind to biggars try?

O's were very poor, but they didn't need the ref to compensate for that. They needed him to be competent. We're not talking about subjective calls at the breakdown, we're talking about a clear red card, and a ball that changes flight when knocked back by stade.

So as terrible as the O's were, they lost by 4 points in a game where the ref made wrong calls that amounted to more than that, not during the split second of the game, but after multiple replays.


MrM, you have strong reason (especially relating to the first 20) but shit happens and the Osps were ultimately capable of a strong win and despite the ref.

This coupled with the last defeat worries me.

Maybe that some of the performances has papered over some of the cracks and that could be considered a positive .... if they can be fixed?

It's disappointing that silverware and associated impetus has been lost and their performance sadly lacking. Such a loss goes further than that, Pro12 won't really matter but a potential Euro win would've been an excellent launch to next Season Champs Cup and I was really looking forward to a La Roc/Osps final ....thought it could've been a humdinger.

Sad.

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Tony Panties wrote:
mr messy wrote:
Tony Panties wrote:
mr messy wrote:
Yes the O's were poor and part of their own down fall. But to say the ref didn't influence the game is ridiculous.

State should have had a man sent off in the first 1/2 and also ruled out a perfectly good O's try. That's not 2 examples of having no influencing the game.


Yes the ref was poor, his decisions questionable, the 'knock on ' failed try probably the worst? etc

but Osps were dire, Stade didn't seem to care in the first 20,...the defence was v poor, the attitude suspect .... and all of a sudden it dawned that the Osps were very suspect and they were in with a chance and they gave it a go. Osps continued with poor options and execution.

Biggar can't keep his cool, Webb became a liability, Giles exposed his lack of experience in spades, SamD was v iffy on noccasions and the forwards disappointing and the scrum awful.

Ref didn't compensate for that?


All of that about the O's is true. And a good team wouldn't have made those mistakes and still won. But as bad as the O's were, the ref had a material impact on the game that went against the O's and cost them victory. The O's lost by 4 points. As you said stade were not interested 1st half. Imagine how they would have felt down to 14 for the rest of the game and behind to biggars try?

O's were very poor, but they didn't need the ref to compensate for that. They needed him to be competent. We're not talking about subjective calls at the breakdown, we're talking about a clear red card, and a ball that changes flight when knocked back by stade.

So as terrible as the O's were, they lost by 4 points in a game where the ref made wrong calls that amounted to more than that, not during the split second of the game, but after multiple replays.


MrM, you have strong reason (especially relating to the first 20) but shit happens and the Osps were ultimately capable of a strong win and despite the ref.

This coupled with the last defeat worries me.

Maybe that some of the performances has papered over some of the cracks and that could be considered a positive .... if they can be fixed?

It's disappointing that silverware and associated impetus has been lost and their performance sadly lacking. Such a loss goes further than that, Pro12 won't really matter but a potential Euro win would've been an excellent launch to next Season Champs Cup and I was really looking forward to a La Roc/Osps final ....thought it could've been a humdinger.

Sad.




the regions back stabbed their pro12 partners to change the qualifying dynamic and ironically were the first to suffer from it this year with only one representative in the premier european competition, in the B competition in Europe they have been cruelly exposed this weekend. in 2011 they had four teams in the H Cup, that will never happen again and they will be doing well to get two clubs in next season, less experience in the top competition and less players performing at that level for the regions and the results will only start to reflect experience. as they did this weekend. they only have themselves to blame.... but its a pathetic return for clubs with the potential they have.

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Leinsterblue wrote:
Tony Panties wrote:
mr messy wrote:
Tony Panties wrote:
mr messy wrote:
Yes the O's were poor and part of their own down fall. But to say the ref didn't influence the game is ridiculous.

State should have had a man sent off in the first 1/2 and also ruled out a perfectly good O's try. That's not 2 examples of having no influencing the game.


Yes the ref was poor, his decisions questionable, the 'knock on ' failed try probably the worst? etc

but Osps were dire, Stade didn't seem to care in the first 20,...the defence was v poor, the attitude suspect .... and all of a sudden it dawned that the Osps were very suspect and they were in with a chance and they gave it a go. Osps continued with poor options and execution.

Biggar can't keep his cool, Webb became a liability, Giles exposed his lack of experience in spades, SamD was v iffy on noccasions and the forwards disappointing and the scrum awful.

Ref didn't compensate for that?


All of that about the O's is true. And a good team wouldn't have made those mistakes and still won. But as bad as the O's were, the ref had a material impact on the game that went against the O's and cost them victory. The O's lost by 4 points. As you said stade were not interested 1st half. Imagine how they would have felt down to 14 for the rest of the game and behind to biggars try?

O's were very poor, but they didn't need the ref to compensate for that. They needed him to be competent. We're not talking about subjective calls at the breakdown, we're talking about a clear red card, and a ball that changes flight when knocked back by stade.

So as terrible as the O's were, they lost by 4 points in a game where the ref made wrong calls that amounted to more than that, not during the split second of the game, but after multiple replays.


MrM, you have strong reason (especially relating to the first 20) but shit happens and the Osps were ultimately capable of a strong win and despite the ref.

This coupled with the last defeat worries me.

Maybe that some of the performances has papered over some of the cracks and that could be considered a positive .... if they can be fixed?

It's disappointing that silverware and associated impetus has been lost and their performance sadly lacking. Such a loss goes further than that, Pro12 won't really matter but a potential Euro win would've been an excellent launch to next Season Champs Cup and I was really looking forward to a La Roc/Osps final ....thought it could've been a humdinger.

Sad.




the regions back stabbed their pro12 partners to change the qualifying dynamic and ironically were the first to suffer from it this year with only one representative in the premier european competition, in the B competition in Europe they have been cruelly exposed this weekend. in 2011 they had four teams in the H Cup, that will never happen again and they will be doing well to get two clubs in next season, less experience in the top competition and less players performing at that level for the regions and the results will only start to reflect experience. as they did this weekend. they only have themselves to blame.... but its a pathetic return for clubs with the potential they have.


The qualifying dynamic barely reflects on their capability ...

Just lessens the number of poor teams?

No pro 12 in thechallenge 1/4s

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The qualifying dynamic barely reflects on their capability ...

Just lessens the number of poor teams?

No pro 12 in thechallenge 1/4s


Its not the qualifying its the experience of competing (or lack thereof) in top tier competitions that will, like ever decreasing circles diminish your ability to compete, however the top 3 inches are just as big an issue at ospreys judging by that performance. there were three pro12 teams in the quarter finals so you might want to check your facts ?

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Leinsterblue wrote:
Tony Panties wrote:
mr messy wrote:
Tony Panties wrote:
mr messy wrote:
Yes the O's were poor and part of their own down fall. But to say the ref didn't influence the game is ridiculous.

State should have had a man sent off in the first 1/2 and also ruled out a perfectly good O's try. That's not 2 examples of having no influencing the game.


Yes the ref was poor, his decisions questionable, the 'knock on ' failed try probably the worst? etc

but Osps were dire, Stade didn't seem to care in the first 20,...the defence was v poor, the attitude suspect .... and all of a sudden it dawned that the Osps were very suspect and they were in with a chance and they gave it a go. Osps continued with poor options and execution.

Biggar can't keep his cool, Webb became a liability, Giles exposed his lack of experience in spades, SamD was v iffy on noccasions and the forwards disappointing and the scrum awful.

Ref didn't compensate for that?


All of that about the O's is true. And a good team wouldn't have made those mistakes and still won. But as bad as the O's were, the ref had a material impact on the game that went against the O's and cost them victory. The O's lost by 4 points. As you said stade were not interested 1st half. Imagine how they would have felt down to 14 for the rest of the game and behind to biggars try?

O's were very poor, but they didn't need the ref to compensate for that. They needed him to be competent. We're not talking about subjective calls at the breakdown, we're talking about a clear red card, and a ball that changes flight when knocked back by stade.

So as terrible as the O's were, they lost by 4 points in a game where the ref made wrong calls that amounted to more than that, not during the split second of the game, but after multiple replays.


MrM, you have strong reason (especially relating to the first 20) but shit happens and the Osps were ultimately capable of a strong win and despite the ref.

This coupled with the last defeat worries me.

Maybe that some of the performances has papered over some of the cracks and that could be considered a positive .... if they can be fixed?

It's disappointing that silverware and associated impetus has been lost and their performance sadly lacking. Such a loss goes further than that, Pro12 won't really matter but a potential Euro win would've been an excellent launch to next Season Champs Cup and I was really looking forward to a La Roc/Osps final ....thought it could've been a humdinger.

Sad.




the regions back stabbed their pro12 partners to change the qualifying dynamic and ironically were the first to suffer from it this year with only one representative in the premier european competition, in the B competition in Europe they have been cruelly exposed this weekend. in 2011 they had four teams in the H Cup, that will never happen again and they will be doing well to get two clubs in next season, less experience in the top competition and less players performing at that level for the regions and the results will only start to reflect experience. as they did this weekend. they only have themselves to blame.... but its a pathetic return for clubs with the potential they have.
I think the pro12 is a better league for those changes. Much better, so hardly a stab in the back. Given the track record of the Welsh regions, it was always going to be Wales that would suffer with the changes so again, hardly a stab in the back for anyone.

I didn't see the game yesterday but listened to it on Radio Wales. Much was made of the decision to move Dan Evans from 15 to accommodate Sam Davies. I appreciate there is a wing shortage at the Os at the moment, but might it have been a different result with DE at 15 and Sam D coming off the bench to play 10 for the last 20 minutes?

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The qualifying dynamic barely reflects on their capability ...

Just lessens the number of poor teams?

No pro 12 in thechallenge 1/4s


Its not the qualifying its the experience of competing (or lack thereof) in top tier competitions that will, like ever decreasing circles diminish your ability to compete, however the top 3 inches are just as big an issue at ospreys judging by that performance. there were three pro12 teams in the quarter finals so you might want to check your facts ?


Sorry meant semi where the shit hits the fan

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