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Post Re: New laws.
Anyway back to the topic, I feel that under 13's pathway rules needs to readdress the ruck area.


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Please explain the issues, we can then address them. The pathway is always open to change if enough valid feedback is given, and it makes sense. :)

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Mon Sep 10, 2012 9:02 am
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Post Re: New laws.
In. Senior rugby how many times do we see players flying off their feet ragardless if they make contact or not? Or players not binding before rucking (as the law states)?

Maybe. As in under 11 rules there should be a limit into the ammount of players a ruck or maul. Reasons being; easier for the coaches to teach. The referee to ref. and first up players to the breakdown know what to do and expect ie. only a certain ammount of players will enter the breakdown. And finally a full size pitch is hard work for the kids to run around and put the number into the breakdown.


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I take it it is Schools under 11's? they refuse point blank to play our (WRU Junior Rugby) pathway which are

UNDER 11’S – CONTACT RUGBY
RULES
IRB Under 19 Laws apply apart from:
RUGBY RULES:
• Waist high tackle or lower, if the tackle is above waist height, a free pass is awarded to
the non offending team.
After the tackle only one player from each team can contest for the ball. This can be
any player involved in the tackle or another arriving player.
• No mauling, penalty to the non offending team.

• Rolling replacements.
• Players must leave and enter the field of play at the halfway touchline.
SCRUMS: All scrums must follow IRB process, crouch, touch, set.
Passive (no pushing or wheeling), both hookers may strike for the ball.
Five forwards (maximum) 3:2 formation.
A player who is a member of a scrum cannot pick up the ball.
Penalty: penalty kick to the non offending team.
SCRUM HALF: If the opposition hooker wins the ball the opposition scrum half is
allowed to pass from the base of the scrum.
Acting scrum half must pass from the base of the scrum and the
opposition scrum half to stay at the tunnel.
Penalty: penalty kick to the non offending team.
LINEOUT: Four man uncontested. No catch and drive permitted.
KICKING: Only in your own half.
Team scoring to drop kick to opposition to restart game.
HAND OFF /
FEND OFF: A player must not hand off/fend off an opponent in any way.
Penalty: free kick to the non offending team
Definition: A hand off/fend off is: “Any movement of the hand or
arm to ward off an opponent.’’
PENALTY: All penalties are free kicks – place ball on ground and tap with
foot, correct technique must apply to restart the game.
METHOD OF Tries and conversions only
SCORING: Notes:––
(i) if goal posts are available on the mini-pitch, conversions are
to be taken as normal.
(ii) if goal posts are available only on the full size pitch,
conversions are to be taken in front of the goal post.
If team persists in offending at the breakdown close to the defensive team try line,
then the referee may award a penalty try.

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Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:43 pm
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Post Re: New laws.
I'm referring to the WRU pathways. It's a massive step up for an eleven year old kid in two years to go from one in the ruck(plus the tackler) to a free for all. The break down is such a pivotal point of the game.


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Peter mac. wrote:
I'm referring to the WRU pathways. It's a massive step up for an eleven year old kid in two years to go from one in the ruck(plus the tackler) to a free for all. The break down is such a pivotal point of the game.



Yep the transition is difficult, It used to be even bigger between U11 & U12 :( The aim is to grow the skillset gradually, and the biggest skills are early years basics. The problem with introducing contact area contention earlier is that core skills will suffer. It is a fine balancing act. I for one would like to see the hand off in from the start (other than tag), no chance of that though.

Going from no real contest to free for all is difficult.

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I agree. If you are allowed to hand off, the tackler will have to go lower thus improving his tackle skills at a low age.
But it's hard to reft a12 yr old game and having to tell them how to ruck maul and scrummage. Too much to soon.


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If you're allowed to hand off, the tackler will grab the atacker's arm .....


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Bouch wrote:
If you're allowed to hand off, the tackler will grab the atacker's arm .....



Thus carrying out a scrag tackle which is illegal under the rules and punishable by a penalty :)

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Yes? Hmm.

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the aim of the pathway is to develop core skills gradually. We have a massive step up at u12 currently (less than previously) we haven't changed that pathway at all this season (beyond IRB law changes of which we can do nothing about really). My guess is we will make some changes next season to try and smooth out the learning curve, which is currently steep at U12.

One of the huge issues is the way other nations are developing, we don't want to stry too far away as it causes issues when touring and playing touring teams, plus of course there is child protection to worry about.

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Post Re: New laws.
My boy's school was scared to death of insurance implications.

We discussed it at PTA meetings 3 or 4 times before the WRU came out with guidance to the LEA.

When was that? 1987/88? A while ago anyway ....


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