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A few key points ehre
1. Insurance is not an issue as the WRu covers it
2. CRb isn't an issue as all the people who would be involved have already had the extensive CRB checks via the WRU.
3. See my post earlier about ECA and the unions. The unions are dead against teachers doing any ECA work

Anyhow, schools and districts are coming more and more together with district coaches also running the schools teams alongside school masters.

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Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:03 pm
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Chris ScumV wrote:
A few key points ehre
1. Insurance is not an issue as the WRu covers it
2. CRb isn't an issue as all the people who would be involved have already had the extensive CRB checks via the WRU.
3. See my post earlier about ECA and the unions. The unions are dead against teachers doing any ECA work

Anyhow, schools and districts are coming more and more together with district coaches also running the schools teams alongside school masters.


As you say in the last sentence alongside school masters.

I'm surprised that WRU coaches need or even have an in depth CRB check.

This is ASFAIK only required when people are going to work with children.


Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:21 pm
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Last time I checked, everyone who played Junior rugby were kids :)

Seriously though you are not allowed to have any contact with kids under WRU rules unless they have carried out a CRB check. Development officers district coaches etc are subject to more in depth checking due to their involvement with kids via schools.

Disctict and schools rugby are very intertwined (in our district anyhow)

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Thu Sep 02, 2010 8:17 am
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Guys

Haven't read the whole thread but here is my thoughts.

Long Term Athletic Development of our youngsters is a journey that takes time and if done correctly will lead to players enjoying the game long term (whether at the Elite end of the game or down in the grass roots!)

The LTAD model is used across many sports and as rugby is a late development sport it is particularly pertinent.

The various stages for Rugby are:

Stage 1 – The FUNdamental Stage TM

AGE: 6 – 9

Objectives: Learn all fundamental movement, skills should be practiced and mastered before sport specific skills are introduced. The “FUNdamental” phase should be well structured and fun! The emphasis is on the overall development of the player/athlete’s physical capacities and movement skills, and the ABC’s of athleticism – Agility, Balance, Coordination and Speed.

Stage 2 – The learning to train stage

AGE: 9 – 12

Objectives: Learn all fundamental sports skills (build overall sports skills) Specialised movement skills are developed from age seven to age eleven, and are specialised sports skills.

Stage 3 – The Training to Train Stage TM

AGE: 12 – 16

Objectives: Build the aerobic base, build strength towards the end of the phase and further develop sport specific skills (build the “engine” and consolidate sport specific skills). During the “Training to Train” stage young athletes consolidate basic sports specific skills and tactics.

Stage 4 – The Training to Compete Stage TM

AGE: 16 – 18

Objectives: Optimise fitness preparation and sport, individual and position specific skills as well as performance (optimise “engine”, skills and performance).

This phase of development is introduced after the goals and objectives of the “Training to Train” stage have been achieved. The training to competition and competition-specific training ratio now changes to 50:50.

Stage 5 – The Training to Win Stage TM

AGE: 18 years+

Objectives: Maximise fitness preparation and sport, individual and position specific skills as well as performance (maximise “engine”, skills and performance).

This is the final phase of athletic preparation, all of the individual athletes physical, technical, tactical, mental, personal and lifestyle capacities are now fully established and the focus of training has shifted to the maximisation of performance.

Stage 6 – The Retirement / Retention stage

Objectives: Retain athletes for coaching, administration, officials, etc. This phase refers to the activities performed after an athlete has retired from competition permanently.

We have to learn to walk before we run etc.

THis is not just a rugby programme it is used by many other sports and is an integral part of the coaching levels (WRU, RFU, SRU etc)

There are many links but here is the RFU booklet

http://www.rfu.com/TakingPart/Coach/Coa ... oklet.ashx

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Thu Sep 02, 2010 8:58 am
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I'm surprised that WRU coaches need or even have an in depth CRB check.

Any coach who is going to be involved with U18 players at any level in an official capacity, and that means just going to watch them play as a representative of that organisation, will be required to be CRB checked

Chris I would imagine the problem with CRB checks is that many organisations (schools in particular) will require a seperate one done for their organisation, it's a 'flaw' in the system.

The same way that a teacher who coaches will need to have another CRB done by the union or club for their coaching

We've encountered the same down here when offering to go into schools - not all, but quite a few.

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The government bought out the new vetting and barring scheme, but then the new government blocked it.

I know that additional checks are carried out for kids working with schools, and these are acceptable to all LEA's, but yep you are right about the non portability of organisational CRB checks :thumbright:

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Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:07 pm
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I presently have 7, yes SEVEN, CRB's for my various activities.

If I was involved with organisations where I had to pay for these, it would be a nightmare!

three are due for renewal between now and mid November... more forms, more time!

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Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:41 pm
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CymraegJanner wrote:
Wupert wrote:
I'm surprised that WRU coaches need or even have an in depth CRB check.

Any coach who is going to be involved with U18 players at any level in an official capacity, and that means just going to watch them play as a representative of that organisation, will be required to be CRB checked

Chris I would imagine the problem with CRB checks is that many organisations (schools in particular) will require a seperate one done for their organisation, it's a 'flaw' in the system.

The same way that a teacher who coaches will need to have another CRB done by the union or club for their coaching

We've encountered the same down here when offering to go into schools - not all, but quite a few.


Thats what I was trying to point out.

Add to that the Head teacher who is so frightened of the legal side of things and it becomes a minefield. Move up from there to the LEA and bumbs twitch even faster.

The sooner we adopt a European system where the local clubs coach the children after school the better

We had a nurse and wife of a teacher barred by the head from one of our ski weeks last year because she did not have a full CRB check


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CRB checks are all well and good but, much like an MOT, they are only as good as the day they are issued.

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Thu Sep 02, 2010 4:42 pm
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cjtheman wrote:
CRB checks are all well and good but, much like an MOT, they are only as good as the day they are issued.


Exactly but they are still required and need to be updated


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cjtheman wrote:
CRB checks are all well and good but, much like an MOT, they are only as good as the day they are issued.

which is why they are only accepted in these cases by the issuer, each organisation requires one, and why they have to be renewed every couple of years

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RGC U16's will be reeling tonight after Blues South stole a valuable win against their far superior hosts this afternoon.

I missed the first half of the first half due to events at the Under Armour testing day at Eirias Parc, but arrived in time to see a dominant north walian team blow the Blues South boys off the field for the last 20 mins of the first half and the vast majority of the second.

Blues South seemed undisciplined and unable to keep the ball in hand when they had possession and were going forwards, while the RGC boys defended well and played on the entire park throughout.

I tend to defend officials and their decisions generally, however I would complain that todays second period seemed to overrun by a good eight minutes, with Blues South's winning try and conversion coming in the very last moments of that added time.

RGC were warmly applauded off the field today and deservedly so. I can't help but feel they were well and truly robbed of a good win today.

RGC 19 - Blues South 22
(Half time 10-7)

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