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Appeared to reward strong scrumaging props, balanced steady scrums, technically proficient No 8s, sniping half backs, first fives with more time, 8/9 blindside attack.


So in summary, the Aussies will block any attempt to make it a world wide adopted law as it'll screw them.

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Sounds like the BCCI and DRS which stuffs up their bookies...

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Looked good in the Oz v All Blacks today with Joubert pinging them for crooked put ins as well.


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So far i like it PROVIDED the referees do it properly. Australia obviously won't like it as it means you have to scrummage and as a result they got mainly raped 2nd half due to it.

Then again, first half NZ had 2 scrum penalties that should have been free kicks the other way immediately after the engage so its not perfect.

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The announcers today seemed amazed that the Oz hooker actually stuck his foot out
before the SH fed the ball. Isn't the HOOKER supposed to strike for the ball.
But that one today was so early he should have been penalised. :)


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The NZ commentary team (as well as being easily the most one eyed ive ever heard) were constantly moaning about how Australia failed "to take the hit". Clearly these idiots have no idea of even the old laws yet alone the new ones.

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I guess I've had more of a view of it than most having watched numerous Top 14 matches after intro ... watched at least 10 the last 2 wks ..

I like it ...

THe eliminated apart hit' and maybe advantage of timing is eliminated.
The inital engage does involve hooking which has been a lost art.
There's been an increased incidence in the Top14 of penalising the not in straight !! largely because there's more focus on the controlled hit that emphasises the sin and accentuates the advantage.
Keeping the scrum straight seems to be a problem ... not sure why,.. maybe because after engage there's emphasis one side or other rather than 3 : 3 ? Dont know.
Refs are acclimatising abd, I believe, seem to have more focus and therefore control ..

For what it's worth ... I like it as per above.

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This article by Barnes / S Times is on the money ref new laws?

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Hopefully it will bring back the mobile smaller hooker, as some of the guys to short for the backrow filled this niche historically, able to get low in the scrum and strike the ball and get about the field. Completely different technique to getting your feet back and using purely bulk and strength.

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what do people think?

Hookers have their work cut out for them now, they have to hook then push, it'll never catch on

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looks good to me so far.
but will refs have the bottle to yellow card players?
it could be that if teams have an option for scrum or penalty in the oppos half, they will go for touch?


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but will refs have the bottle to yellow card players?


That's the crux of the matter. Methinks the refs will fold and not implement this.

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In the main I think it is a good move, it certainly is a game changer and makes for a better more watcheable game.

As far as I know, the ball doesn't have to go in straight guys, technically according to the letter of the law it does but the directive is that the ball has to touch the line of scrummage. so 9/10ths of the ball can be on the put in side as long as part of the ball crosses that line. I am wondering if coaches have decided (as I would) that it is possible to feed across the lin of scrummage diagonally, starting on the defending team side, crossing the line of scrummage diagonally moving towards the attacking teams side, negating the need to hook.

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Brahmin wrote:
SimplyRed wrote:
but will refs have the bottle to yellow card players?


That's the crux of the matter. Methinks the refs will fold and not implement this.


Not if they follow BArnesy's lead
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/s ... -rules-rfu

England's leading official, Wayne Barnes, has warned Premiership players and coaches that referees will show no mercy to sides who fail to embrace the International Rugby Board's revised scrummaging protocols, which have attracted mixed views on the eve of the new domestic season.

Instead of the old "crouch, touch, set" sequence used last season, opposing packs will be required to bind in advance and are not permitted to push until the ball is in. There will also be a zero-tolerance attitude shown towards scrum-halves who fail to put the ball in straight, forcing hookers to rediscover the lost art of heeling the ball. :clap:


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