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This concerns the scrum halfs.
In just about every game you see a scrum half put the ball into the scrum,
move toward the back of his pack to recieve the ball only to be pushed in
the back by his opposite number, but it is NEVER called by a ref.
Surely this is a foul. :dontknow:


Mon Dec 17, 2012 5:20 pm
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I was going to answer, but I am not SJ, so you will have to wait for him to see it. :thumbright:

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Chris, I mentioned SJ because of his reffing experience.
No slight to you or any others. :)


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I make a point in the pre match brief that I don't want any of this happening.

Who would you penalise the pusher or the obstructer?

Is it material to the outcome?

Sorry I can't give a definitive answer as it very much depends on the context and nature of the match.

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The pusher IMO if you have too.

Is there aset time scale for the 'obstrcutor' to move to the back of the scrum?

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Law 20.12

Decide who broke the law first?

Not as simple as it first appears

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an act of agression must surely be punished before a technical offence?

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OF if you were a fish you CERTAINLY wouldn't have lived to as ripe an age as you have :D

Steve, isn't it technically a breach of the law if the players put their hands on the scrum? (as in technically not in reality). couldn't it be deemed a breach of the laws?

As you say, the decision is whether or not it had an effect. If he shoves the 9 as the 9 is about to take a pass, then yep, the whistle would go, but if it is just jostling for position then what is the point, it would be bloody tragedy anyhow that we finally managed to get a scrum to complete, only to nail them when the ball comes out :D

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I thought the opposing scrumhalf is entitled to follow the ball through the scrum as it moves back to the side in possession.

Blocking the scrumhalf is obstruction but Lloyd Williams was caught time and again by opposing scrumhalves, particularly Richie Rees.

The referee allowed Richie to push and Lloyd's service suffered as a result.

Mike Phillips was pushed once by an opposition scrumhalf in the AIs. Mike sorted it and it didn't happen again.

Snag is that Mike doesn't harry the opposition scrumhalf on their put-in; that is a trick he can't perform.


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it is difficult because the ball is the offside line.

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It was called in an Arriva game last weekend. Can't remember which one, might have been Northampton/Quins.

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String that's why I loved playing wing forward in my day. (Probably before you were born :) )
We really were LOOSE forwards then, you could break as
soon as the ball was fed into the scrum. Then get around
fast and TW*T the gobby little scrum half into the ground.
And if he did get it away, your partner was in the OH's face.
Beautiful to see. :cheers:
Bring it back please. :D


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Old Fart wrote:
String that's why I loved playing wing forward in my day. (Probably before you were born :) )
We really were LOOSE forwards then, you could break as
soon as the ball was fed into the scrum. Then get around
fast and TW*T the gobby little scrum half into the ground.
And if he did get it away, your partner was in the OH's face.
Beautiful to see. :cheers:
Bring it back please. :D


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Some of my happiest memories of playing were roaming around off the scrum and letting some gobshite scrum half get the good news :D

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you are just a bunch of flankers, did I spell that right?

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