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32 yr old 52 test SA Spies has retired
(Blue Bulls, Bulls), Kintestu (Japan), Montpelier(France).

I thought that he was excellent but had more to him than was exerted?i

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I just remember he didn't have such great hands and couldn't tackle.
Definitely an example of someone who never reached his potential (while in SA. I never saw him play after he left).

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Would have liked to see him playing on the wing a bit as his late father who ran an olympic qualified time as a 110 hurdler and who scored a Currie cup try winner from the wing....PS a good athlete but lacked maybe essentials for a truly great nr8. His serious speed an asset. An ace for the 2007-10 Bulls side

Any info on his plans after rugby?

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His relatively poor ball handling skills and lack of agility would have been exploited out on the wing, by most decent teams. And he was very quick for a no.8, but below average for a genuine wing.

Had he trained for wing, then he would have lost a bit of his 'amazing strength' he was lauded for blah blah.

Physically he was the perfect no.8 ever, just lacking a genuine rugby brain and heart.

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His relatively poor ball handling skills and lack of agility would have been exploited out on the wing, by most decent teams. And he was very quick for a no.8, but below average for a genuine wing.

Had he trained for wing, then he would have lost a bit of his 'amazing strength' he was lauded for blah blah.

Physically he was the perfect no.8 ever, just lacking a genuine rugby brain and heart.


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He had 52 caps for the Boks and that must vouch for a good pedigree but I agree that although he was an athletic 8 he lacked grunt and didn't exercise his physique to prime extent.

AS with most 'tuned' athletic rugby players he did suffer injuries too in that prime forward, often confrontational, position.

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Incidentally ..from what I've seen of Vermeulen he has been the opposite, plenty of grunt and go forward but lacking 'vision' in that position. He has suffered lots of injuries too.

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Vermuelen only lacked pace compared to Spies. He was better in every other way, including 'vision'. I guess you prefer to forget his scoring pass to du Preez in the last world cup?

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TheSmurf wrote:
Vermuelen only lacked pace compared to Spies. He was better in every other way, including 'vision'. I guess you prefer to forget his scoring pass to du Preez in the last world cup?


One swallow etc ... imo not a very versatile corner flagging type, but I would agree more effective than Spies.

I watched him in Internationals but most of my experience based on his time at Toulon towards end of career although still selected for SA.
His cap count is less than Spies too ...37?

Just different opinions.

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Spies was bigged up way too much by the media, and some fans. He reminds me of many of the big PI kids who grow up being the biggest, and then they hit senior stuff and everyone is the same size so they lose that advantage. Still, as mentioned, he has over 50 caps so that must count for something.

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Overall, he certainly wasn't 'bad', and being touted as the best thing ever did earmark him for more pressure to perform miracles every game.

I'm maybe harsh but when a guy like him doesn't put his body on the line in defence, it makes me question his heart and mongrel (which Vermuelen had for his caps). Many MANY Bok fans (including Bulls fans like me) were long shouting for Vermuelen's inclusion, before Spies was finally dropped/replaced.

As a person, from what I've seen and heard of Spies, he's a genuine good guy, so I'm just a bit salty he didn't make the best of his attributes.

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One swallow etc ...

One of our leading tacklers and turnover specialists which for a no.8 imo shows great vision and understanding of the game to know where to be and when to contest. But yeah, my opinion.

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I'm, perhaps unfairly, comparing Vermeulen with 'complete' 8's... Read currently, Parisse for yonks, Harinodoquy in the past, Faletau looks as if he could be, Mervyn Davies was an early version.....(apologies for 2 Welsh and one french ;) )

Others in history of course just trying to find a flavour be it parochial.

Vermeulen certainly is a grafter, makes many metres, lively and penetrative but not complete ... .....

Not being defensive for the sake of it ... just an opinion ....

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Spies was a powder puff. Seeing him on the teamsheet was always worth points to the ABs. Didn't have the mongrel to be a proper 8.


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Not many thunderous tackles on that video.


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Prob has a better record against ABs than Vanmullen? Like them both chalk and cheese a bit. I like the big no 8s so Vanmullen for me. Spies was a great super player, didn't seem to set the world alight at international levels but deserved his Bok jersey for sure.

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