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Not to try to oversimplify the above, I get the impression that NZ treats rugby as a sport and have developed the science to improve and evolve the game for both the player and the fan. Whereas the NH have gone down the business route in general, forgetting that rugby is a sport for those who play and watch.




Exactly, so a business only worries about their end product. It can be imported. If someone else is producing a consistent quality product and you can afford it, you need not produce it. If you invest in "the game" your return is difficult to quantify, so you buy off the shelf.

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Blindside wrote:
Thegrimriper wrote:
Not to try to oversimplify the above, I get the impression that NZ treats rugby as a sport and have developed the science to improve and evolve the game for both the player and the fan. Whereas the NH have gone down the business route in general, forgetting that rugby is a sport for those who play and watch.




Exactly, so a business only worries about their end product. It can be imported. If someone else is producing a consistent quality product and you can afford it, you need not produce it. If you invest in "the game" your return is difficult to quantify, so you buy off the shelf.


You forgot price, performance, profit, competitiveness and responsibility to shareholders short and long term.

Imo, that's why Pro Rugby is light years from being a Business ;)

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Tony Panties wrote:
Blindside wrote:
Thegrimriper wrote:
Not to try to oversimplify the above, I get the impression that NZ treats rugby as a sport and have developed the science to improve and evolve the game for both the player and the fan. Whereas the NH have gone down the business route in general, forgetting that rugby is a sport for those who play and watch.




Exactly, so a business only worries about their end product. It can be imported. If someone else is producing a consistent quality product and you can afford it, you need not produce it. If you invest in "the game" your return is difficult to quantify, so you buy off the shelf.


You forgot price, performance, profit, competitiveness and responsibility to shareholders short and long term.

Imo, that's why Pro Rugby is light years from being a Business ;)

That’s exactly why it’s a business.

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loosechange wrote:
Tony Panties wrote:
Blindside wrote:
Thegrimriper wrote:
Not to try to oversimplify the above, I get the impression that NZ treats rugby as a sport and have developed the science to improve and evolve the game for both the player and the fan. Whereas the NH have gone down the business route in general, forgetting that rugby is a sport for those who play and watch.




Exactly, so a business only worries about their end product. It can be imported. If someone else is producing a consistent quality product and you can afford it, you need not produce it. If you invest in "the game" your return is difficult to quantify, so you buy off the shelf.


You forgot price, performance, profit, competitiveness and responsibility to shareholders short and long term.

Imo, that's why Pro Rugby is light years from being a Business ;)

That’s exactly why it’s a business.


:scratch:

Purports to be maybe, but that's about as far as Pro Rugby gets at the mo?

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Post Re: Fra compared to NZ, etc ...physical prep, skills .
Tony Panties wrote:
loosechange wrote:
Tony Panties wrote:
Blindside wrote:
Thegrimriper wrote:
Not to try to oversimplify the above, I get the impression that NZ treats rugby as a sport and have developed the science to improve and evolve the game for both the player and the fan. Whereas the NH have gone down the business route in general, forgetting that rugby is a sport for those who play and watch.




Exactly, so a business only worries about their end product. It can be imported. If someone else is producing a consistent quality product and you can afford it, you need not produce it. If you invest in "the game" your return is difficult to quantify, so you buy off the shelf.


You forgot price, performance, profit, competitiveness and responsibility to shareholders short and long term.

Imo, that's why Pro Rugby is light years from being a Business ;)

That’s exactly why it’s a business.


:scratch:

Purports to be maybe, but that's about as far as Pro Rugby gets at the mo?

I guess we see this very differently. I see almost all pro sport as business in one way or another. Once money comes into play almost everything else is secondary, or at least that’s what I thought BS was getting at. The NZRFU would be mad to not look at as a business, the difference is they think the whole pyramid needs attention, not just the tip.

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Post Re: Fra compared to NZ, etc ...physical prep, skills .
loosechange wrote:
Tony Panties wrote:
loosechange wrote:
Tony Panties wrote:
Blindside wrote:
Thegrimriper wrote:
Not to try to oversimplify the above, I get the impression that NZ treats rugby as a sport and have developed the science to improve and evolve the game for both the player and the fan. Whereas the NH have gone down the business route in general, forgetting that rugby is a sport for those who play and watch.




Exactly, so a business only worries about their end product. It can be imported. If someone else is producing a consistent quality product and you can afford it, you need not produce it. If you invest in "the game" your return is difficult to quantify, so you buy off the shelf.


You forgot price, performance, profit, competitiveness and responsibility to shareholders short and long term.

Imo, that's why Pro Rugby is light years from being a Business ;)

That’s exactly why it’s a business.


:scratch:

Purports to be maybe, but that's about as far as Pro Rugby gets at the mo?

I guess we see this very differently. I see almost all pro sport as business in one way or another. Once money comes into play almost everything else is secondary, or at least that’s what I thought BS was getting at. The NZRFU would be mad to not look at as a business, the difference is they think the whole pyramid needs attention, not just the tip.


Think there's a misunderstanding?

Of course they consider the business, they have to...financial reporting obligations etc

My point was that very few actually conduct business-like operations.

An example, some financial reports and Union/League/Club relationships suggest suspect audit and control activities ... otherwise there wouldn't be so many surprises etc.

Bottom line performance wouldn't satisfy ongoing viable business activities etc

I've studied this subject for some time and across a broad scope and it is my opinion.

PS I do understand the formative aspects of Rugby entry into the Pro environment and I do respect the lesser intention of profit but to suggest Pro Rugby is businesslike at the mo is some stretch of the imagination.

Another prime example is the hierarchical relationship of World Rugby and the significant contention the exists. Any comparison to a Corporation of a Multi National enterprise would be a joke.

On another business aspect, Human Relations, I think rugby has a long way to go with regard to players participation and Player Welfare aspects.

One can't ignore and use the excuse of 'size' of the business either because looked at W/Wide and events like the World Cup it certainly is big business.

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Post Re: Fra compared to NZ, etc ...physical prep, skills .
loosechange wrote:
Tony Panties wrote:
loosechange wrote:
Tony Panties wrote:
Blindside wrote:
Thegrimriper wrote:
Not to try to oversimplify the above, I get the impression that NZ treats rugby as a sport and have developed the science to improve and evolve the game for both the player and the fan. Whereas the NH have gone down the business route in general, forgetting that rugby is a sport for those who play and watch.




Exactly, so a business only worries about their end product. It can be imported. If someone else is producing a consistent quality product and you can afford it, you need not produce it. If you invest in "the game" your return is difficult to quantify, so you buy off the shelf.


You forgot price, performance, profit, competitiveness and responsibility to shareholders short and long term.

Imo, that's why Pro Rugby is light years from being a Business ;)

That’s exactly why it’s a business.


:scratch:

Purports to be maybe, but that's about as far as Pro Rugby gets at the mo?

I guess we see this very differently. I see almost all pro sport as business in one way or another. Once money comes into play almost everything else is secondary, or at least that’s what I thought BS was getting at. The NZRFU would be mad to not look at as a business, the difference is they think the whole pyramid needs attention, not just the tip.


They do see it as a business LC but they work very had to have a balanced approach.

My involvement with NZRU began in 2003 and since then psychological quirks here and there have gradually intensified and is now second nature for players.

Who would have ever thought AB training and game prep would include green tea and meditation. :D


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Post Re: Fra compared to NZ, etc ...physical prep, skills .
No shit!? That’s very interesting. :thumbright:

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Post Re: Fra compared to NZ, etc ...physical prep, skills .
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No shit!? That’s very interesting. :thumbright:


..and very constructive and smart, that's why they are number one :thumbup:

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Post Re: Fra compared to NZ, etc ...physical prep, skills .
Here is an article a couple of months back looking at the problems of French rugby. Some of the problems highlighted are specific to France, others are more NH-wide: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union ... oach-club/


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