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Are these 2 major teams about to merge just hearing rumours at the moment.

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Post Re: Racing & Stad
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Are these 2 major teams about to merge just hearing rumours at the moment.


Wouldn't surprise me...

Savare Stade owner desperate for release Racing have brand new stadium just about ready 35k roofed and 24/7 activities. Not sure what wouild happen to Jean Bouin Stadium ...

Interesting

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Post Re: Racing & Stad
Just announced !!

http://www.lequipe.fr/Rugby/Actualites/ ... ine/785175

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Effectively ... One big Pro Club is to be formed .. the Racing Arena Stadium will be the focus.

All the amateur levels beneath the TOP14 Pro outfit will remain separate but feeders to the 1 Club.

Wow !

http://www.lequipe.fr/Rugby/Actualites/ ... ine/785175

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Any details on why it's happened. ?


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that i quite shocking, whats are the reasons behind it.

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Any details on why it's happened. ?


Stade F owner Savare is v wealthy, he bought Stade from near liquidation.
His family was against it from the start.
Despite winning the Top14 recently the fortunes have fallen, qualification for Champs Cup overall performance and financial bottom line. He has probably covered at leat 10m euros of deficit. Many of his players are off to other Clubs incl internationals. The Coach has resigned for end of Season etc Attendances have fallen from the halcyon days of 80k Top14 matches 3 or 4 times a Season.
He wants out.

Lorenzetti is equally rich and bought out Racing combined with another Club and formed Racing 92/ Their stadium the old International ground at Colombes is decrepid. Lorenzetti's interests are real estate , wine etc

He floated a new 300m sporting stadium roofed 35k capacity near the major commercial area of Paris near St Denis.

THe people living there etc and other reasons made life very difficult. In reality it is a huge real estate project and will house 24/7 business and events and also accomodation. The Racing stadium projectr was at the heart of it ;)

He got it through and it opens soon! ;)

Lorenzetti is very entrepreurial and has used rugby within his business .. eg rugby ventures Racing/Toulouse in H Kong and is using it to further his wine interests in Asia which is the major growth area !! He's not daft and has eyes on the Japan W Cup and furthering bus interests there too ... These ventures are used to promote his biusiness ventures as well as using rugby as a focal point.

Wether the merger will be a joint interest or not will be telling but I would think that Lorenzetti is the driver.

The potential size of the merger and it's clout could be very significant.

Interesting too that the rugby structure below top Pro level stays with the original Clabs and banners.

A typical entrepreneurial venture that could suit both parties.

I think that eyes are also on broader international competition if a World wide timetable is effective. World Rugby have lived in fear of such interest and clout at World level. We have discussed offline other potential interests eg SA and Saracens etc ..

Hmm

PS the above is my analysis and may be wide of the mark but I don't think so ;)

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

PS The above should be read with Altrad's growing attempted ventures in Rugby cross leagues etc ..

Supoer Rugby is stirring?

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So, Paris 1 pro rugby team. London 2 Pro rugby teams

Swansea 2 pro rugby teams

does not compute.

Interesting development. Neither side all that but there's huge potential

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Fids the Blindside wrote:
So, Paris 1 pro rugby team. London 2 Pro rugby teams

Swansea 2 pro rugby teams

does not compute.

Interesting development. Neither side all that but there's huge potential


More proper fans in Swansea though.. :P

Will they reduce the top 13 to 10 or so?

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Fids the Blindside wrote:
So, Paris 1 pro rugby team. London 2 Pro rugby teams

Swansea 2 pro rugby teams

does not compute.

Interesting development. Neither side all that but there's huge potential


More proper fans in Swansea though.. :P

Will they reduce the top 13 to 10 or so?


They may go to 16 ;) Currently under discussion, ... more concerned with scuppering FFR/Laporte central contracts defence

Which poses a Q for the superclub or maybe not cos the intent is to have a power base and in depth...

The future will be 'conferences' ??

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Post Merger of Racing and Stade Francais
That could create a pretty powerful new force if it goes ahead. I don't know how they will form a squad though ... they must have about a hundred contracted players between them.

http://www.epcrugby.com/news/35181.php#.WMbCcRIrIo8


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That could create a pretty powerful new force if it goes ahead. I don't know how they will form a squad though ... they must have about a hundred contracted players between them.

http://www.epcrugby.com/news/35181.php#.WMbCcRIrIo8


SB ..

It's more difficult than you think ....

LNR/Top14 regs state a MAXIMUM of 32 full pro players, with the possible additions of :

-Players in their 1st full pro season
-Players in their 2nd Pro Season providing they were developed by that Club
-Injury pro player jokers who efectively takes over the long term injured player who remains on the 'books' but cannot play whilst the other is employed.

Top14 Clubs may also play non pro contract players from their 'Espoir' teams Espoir = U23 development squad, each French Pro Club has an Espoir team who compete in their own league. These are truly quality up and coming players but must not operate under a full pro contract. Indeed some were capped for the adult National team without a pro contract!

Normally you'll find 40-45 pool of players conforming to the regs above which are audited.

This reg was introduced to try and spread the talent across more Clubs but, f course, the richer bought superior players :kermit:

According to the Press the Pro team is amalgamated ie the Top14 one. However the other teams will maintain individual Stade F and Racing ownership and development. This obviously in order not to create widespread redundancy. It does present a potential anomaly in 2 Espoir teams feeding 1 Club or they will have to amalgamate to fit the regs ?

Hmm ..

Not a lot of time either ... it's apparently on for next Season.

Also a latest report states that Lorenzetti will be the first President but it will rotate after .. I doubt thatu

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So ... the fusion was influenced by Qatari (QSI) bid to buy out one of the Clubs ... :D

Hmmm..who has been fprecasting Qatari Rugby investment ... :thumbup:

http://www.lequipe.fr/Rugby/Actualites/ ... qsi/785447

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Post Re: Racing & Stad
Fids the Blindside wrote:
So, Paris 1 pro rugby team. London 2 Pro rugby teams

Swansea 2 pro rugby teams

does not compute.

Interesting development. Neither side all that but there's huge potential


:D :D Yma O Hyd g'boi.

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