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Apples and pears / eras etc?
also,
What are averages?

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Tony Panties wrote:
Apples and pears / eras etc?
also,
What are averages?


Disagree, the game of test cricket has not changed much since the 1960's. Still 5 days, still wear white, still have a new ball every 80 overs. Batting, if anything is easier today, with less short stuff allowed and better protection.

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Post Re: Better than Gooch and everybody else from England?
Langland Exile wrote:
Tony Panties wrote:
Apples and pears / eras etc?
also,
What are averages?


Disagree, the game of test cricket has not changed much since the 1960's. Still 5 days, still wear white, still have a new ball every 80 overs. Batting, if anything is easier today, with less short stuff allowed and better protection.

It's changed hugely, you no longer have 5 quickies trying to bowl at you head on bone hard pitches

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Post Re: Better than Gooch and everybody else from England?
Langland Exile wrote:
Tony Panties wrote:
Apples and pears / eras etc?
also,
What are averages?


Disagree, the game of test cricket has not changed much since the 1960's. Still 5 days, still wear white, still have a new ball every 80 overs. Batting, if anything is easier today, with less short stuff allowed and better protection.

Previous Q posed are the latest records only 5 day tests?

#of games/opposition levels/fitness/equipment(e.g bat and footwear to name but 2)/extent of expertise/colour oif the ball :D

Averages are important? ... probably the best comparison with regard to player value?

I had a look at records and it's quite confusing because the old timers do well e.g Bradman's average, Sobers # of runs etc

It is apples and pears or what?

Having had a quick search I would say that it's a bloody conundrum and, imo, not a consistent stat?

Highest averages in Test cricket Batsman Tests Runs Average 100s/ 50s
Don Bradman 52 6996 99.94 29/ 13
Graeme Pollock 23 2256 60.97 7/ 11
George Headley 22 2190 60.83 10/ 5
Herbert Sutcliffe 54 4555 60.73 16/ 23
Ken Barrington 82 6806 58.67 20/ 35
Everton Weekes 48 4455 58.61 15/ 19
Wally Hammond 85 7249 58.45 22/ 24
Garry Sobers 93 8032 57.78 26/ 30

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Post Re: Better than Gooch and everybody else from England?
Playing on today's tracks would have been a dream for the poor buggers who had to contend with dirt tracks, matting and wet pitches in the past.

The comment on the West Indies was spot on.

Just imagine the horror of facing a Windies 4 or 5 quicks on an untreated monster or an iron-hard minefield that cracked open on the 3rd day!!

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Post Re: Better than Gooch and everybody else from England?
Big And Dull wrote:
Langland Exile wrote:
Tony Panties wrote:
Apples and pears / eras etc?
also,
What are averages?


Disagree, the game of test cricket has not changed much since the 1960's. Still 5 days, still wear white, still have a new ball every 80 overs. Batting, if anything is easier today, with less short stuff allowed and better protection.

It's changed hugely, you no longer have 5 quickies trying to bowl at you head on bone hard pitches


I was still playing in the early 1990's in San Francisco and we had our club's 75th anniversary. The MCC sent a social team out and we had teams from the West Indies, and India. Great week of cricket, the odd beer also.

Sobers was the guest of Honour, and he gave us nets to show how to play really quickly bowling. He must have been about 52/3 or so then, but handled our bowling machine easily at 85mph, albeit with an older ball.

He told me after quite a lot of Mount Gay rum that the faster the bowler was, the easier it was to play them, just take everything off the back foot.

I said that seeing it was the hard part... ;)

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Post Re: Better than Gooch and everybody else from England?
Big And Dull wrote:
Langland Exile wrote:
Tony Panties wrote:
Apples and pears / eras etc?
also,
What are averages?


Disagree, the game of test cricket has not changed much since the 1960's. Still 5 days, still wear white, still have a new ball every 80 overs. Batting, if anything is easier today, with less short stuff allowed and better protection.

It's changed hugely, you no longer have 5 quickies trying to bowl at you head on bone hard pitches


Only the West Indies did that though, largely, as they had no spinners after Lance Gibbs, and they played on bone hard pitches.

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Post Re: Better than Gooch and everybody else from England?
Tony Panties wrote:
Langland Exile wrote:
Tony Panties wrote:
Apples and pears / eras etc?
also,
What are averages?


Disagree, the game of test cricket has not changed much since the 1960's. Still 5 days, still wear white, still have a new ball every 80 overs. Batting, if anything is easier today, with less short stuff allowed and better protection.

Previous Q posed are the latest records only 5 day tests?

#of games/opposition levels/fitness/equipment(e.g bat and footwear to name but 2)/extent of expertise/colour oif the ball :D

Averages are important? ... probably the best comparison with regard to player value?

I had a look at records and it's quite confusing because the old timers do well e.g Bradman's average, Sobers # of runs etc

It is apples and pears or what?

Having had a quick search I would say that it's a bloody conundrum and, imo, not a consistent stat?

Highest averages in Test cricket Batsman Tests Runs Average 100s/ 50s
Don Bradman 52 6996 99.94 29/ 13
Graeme Pollock 23 2256 60.97 7/ 11
George Headley 22 2190 60.83 10/ 5
Herbert Sutcliffe 54 4555 60.73 16/ 23
Ken Barrington 82 6806 58.67 20/ 35
Everton Weekes 48 4455 58.61 15/ 19
Wally Hammond 85 7249 58.45 22/ 24
Garry Sobers 93 8032 57.78 26/ 30


Those are about the best batsman in history, the game has used technology well, and is now safer. I saw Michael Holding is hos best, and that really was quick.

Bouch's table says TEST RUNS IN ENGLAND on the header

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Post Re: Better than Gooch and everybody else from England?
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Bouch's table says TEST RUNS IN ENGLAND on the header


The stream heading is Better than Gooch and everybody else FROM England, so I suppose it's 'Better than everybody else from England wrt Test runs in England ... a bit convoluted eh and one wonders, on reflection, what to do with it? Just a senior moment mun ;)

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Post Re: Better than Gooch and everybody else from England?
It is interesting that given the lack of funding for cricket in the Caribbean, the quality of playing surfaces has declined and the wickets are now slower and not very bouncy. Over the last 3 years, 58% of wickets in tests played in the Caribbean have gone to spinners.

In the 1980's, that was nearer 10%.

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It is interesting that given the lack of funding for cricket in the Caribbean, the quality of playing surfaces has declined and the wickets are now slower and not very bouncy. Over the last 3 years, 58% of wickets in tests played in the Caribbean have gone to spinners.

In the 1980's, that was nearer 10%.


Ramadhin and Valentine were excellellent Windies spinners yonks ago

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Post Re: Better than Gooch and everybody else from England?
That foul at breakdown by Sa hooker was close to a yeloow .... Arg were near to try scoring ...and his second offence.

Breakdown has been bit of a lottery though and Argies have incurred a lot of pens ..

However .....16/8 Janties hot on his kicking ....simillar to Fra games ....

Another breakdown pen v Arg and SA in prime position

another pen, yellow must beckon for Arg

SA ignore pen and go for touch ...

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Rhule makes it pay, good try.

SA are proving that they are progressive .....

23 8 after 54

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Argie try, well worked from close line out drive ...neat passing broke the cover.

Somewhat slack from Boks

23 15 after 60

Strange game, Boks dominate but Arg good on the break

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