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Anyone out there struggling with arthritis?

I am 63 and feeling every year of it. 18 months ago I underwent treatment for prostate cancer which was about as minimal as cancer treatment can be. 18 months prior to that I was at death's door with pneumonia, which the much maligned Prince Charles Hospital cured in about 4 hours (I kid you not). I was a very healthy specimen until I hit 60.

Anyway, I played rugby from 11 to 38 when my knees couldn't take any more knocks and twists. I was a very serious trainer and at the low league stuff I played was one of the fittest. I kept this up when I finished playing, and because I didn't get any knocks I would say I got fitter. I was certainly lifting more weight and doing more distance, calories etc on the exercise machines.

At about 55 my right knee started seizing up. The medics had a look inside but found only arthritis which they could do nothing about.

8 years later both knees are stiff, painful, and while i can walk the dog for 7/8 miles a day that is about all I can do. My sacroiliac joints in my low back have joined in with the arthritis. I am struggling to do stuff like put my socks on or pick up my dog's shit off the ground. I do a pile of exercises each morning to stretch my back, knees etc. I am seeing the knee surgeon in a few weeks but I don't think surgery is going to do what I want.

I am writing this boring piece to see if anyone else is fighting the effects of rugby injuries and to see if there is a way of overcoming this stiffness and pain.

I am not looking to run marathons, I would love to be able to do say 3 - 5 km fun runs and to be able to bend down to pick stuff up.

Sorry if this is boring to the younger people but believe me, you are probably heading this way if you are getting loads of bumps and strains. Also apologies if this thread is in the wrong section.

So folks, anyone out there managing to overcome arthritis?



On a serious note, if you can walk join a gym. The treadmills cut out the impact on your knees and you could do interval work walking inclines and resting. Any weights you can manage will make a huge difference. If your knees are past the point of no return with arthritis then knee replacement will make a massive difference. Gyms IMO are where you should be as you can control your movements and monitor your progress. I can not run on a road due to my knee but can run on a treadmill, but i have discovered you dont need to run to use treadmills to get to a decent level of fitness if used properly.

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Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:53 pm
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Yard of Ale wrote:
Anyone out there struggling with arthritis?

I am 63 and feeling every year of it. 18 months ago I underwent treatment for prostate cancer which was about as minimal as cancer treatment can be. 18 months prior to that I was at death's door with pneumonia, which the much maligned Prince Charles Hospital cured in about 4 hours (I kid you not). I was a very healthy specimen until I hit 60.

Anyway, I played rugby from 11 to 38 when my knees couldn't take any more knocks and twists. I was a very serious trainer and at the low league stuff I played was one of the fittest. I kept this up when I finished playing, and because I didn't get any knocks I would say I got fitter. I was certainly lifting more weight and doing more distance, calories etc on the exercise machines.

At about 55 my right knee started seizing up. The medics had a look inside but found only arthritis which they could do nothing about.

8 years later both knees are stiff, painful, and while i can walk the dog for 7/8 miles a day that is about all I can do. My sacroiliac joints in my low back have joined in with the arthritis. I am struggling to do stuff like put my socks on or pick up my dog's shit off the ground. I do a pile of exercises each morning to stretch my back, knees etc. I am seeing the knee surgeon in a few weeks but I don't think surgery is going to do what I want.

I am writing this boring piece to see if anyone else is fighting the effects of rugby injuries and to see if there is a way of overcoming this stiffness and pain.

I am not looking to run marathons, I would love to be able to do say 3 - 5 km fun runs and to be able to bend down to pick stuff up.

Sorry if this is boring to the younger people but believe me, you are probably heading this way if you are getting loads of bumps and strains. Also apologies if this thread is in the wrong section.

So folks, anyone out there managing to overcome arthritis?



On a serious note, if you can walk join a gym. The treadmills cut out the impact on your knees and you could do interval work walking inclines and resting. Any weights you can manage will make a huge difference. If your knees are past the point of no return with arthritis then knee replacement will make a massive difference. Gyms IMO are where you should be as you can control your movements and monitor your progress. I can not run on a road due to my knee but can run on a treadmill, but i have discovered you dont need to run to use treadmills to get to a decent level of fitness if used properly.


Or you can buy a treadmill for a fraction the cost of a gym. We have one and both myself and the wife use it. Think it was £350 but they start at half that.

I walk a few miles when the news is on and she walks while she is doing the ironing

(she does not really its a standing joke)

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I have a very good X Trainer which I hope to get back on soon. It is in the garage and a lot of crap has built up around it that needs some decent weather to sort out. I walk a lot because I enjoy taking our dog out. Springer Spaniel, Limitless energy.

I have also started HIITs as per Michael Moseley's TV programme a couple of weeks ago. Doing ok too. My cardio performance is bloody good for an old guy.

Also I am getting on quite nicely with the new exercises. They are making my back (SI joints) feel different which I assume means they are getting into the stiffness. Only the second day but they feel really good.

I am not giving up whatever happens.


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Knees elbows and thumbs for me, played my last game at 34, 50 now, still think I could play now but the reality is quite the opposite.

Still hit the gym 3-4 times a week, mix of cardio and resistance - no longer do free weights, machines are safer and you can be more disciplined in movement.

Got back into cycling about 10 years ago, love it, regularly do 50-60km rides a few times a week during the frost / snow free months, cycling gives me a lot of elbow gip though :-(

Resting pulse, 55-57 and healthy BP, and I'm 140kg. :naka:

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Knees elbows and thumbs for me, played my last game at 34, 50 now, still think I could play now but the reality is quite the opposite.

Still hit the gym 3-4 times a week, mix of cardio and resistance - no longer do free weights, machines are safer and you can be more disciplined in movement.

Got back into cycling about 10 years ago, love it, regularly do 50-60km rides a few times a week during the frost / snow free months, cycling gives me a lot of elbow gip though :-(

Resting pulse, 55-57 and healthy BP, and I'm 140kg. :naka:



Yes great advice the older guys on a bike now are everywhere and its kind to the joints except shoulders and elbows, ive got a decent road bike and spent a grand on a mountain bike for xmas. Loads of forestry roads around me and great inclines.

I know what you guys are saying about home machines but personally im not keen on them. My pet hate is people who walk on runners in gym and hold the front so they lean back changing the body angle, its just cheating yourself. Walk at the angle you can manage and get your *fupping* hands off the machine :banghead: Im going to attack someone one day

I need a shoulder replacement but turned it down when called in due to my "relatively young age" and the 7 year life of the joint. I stopped weights because of it, but recently went back to free weights and thought *fupp* the shoulder, its much better since ive attacked.

I did do a boxing day fun run 5 miles, although it killed my knees and i completed it without walking in 47 mins after training on the treadmill im about 16 1/2 stone.

Ive had a lazy month though and need to get back into it :?

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Knees elbows and thumbs for me, played my last game at 34, 50 now, still think I could play now but the reality is quite the opposite.

Still hit the gym 3-4 times a week, mix of cardio and resistance - no longer do free weights, machines are safer and you can be more disciplined in movement.

Got back into cycling about 10 years ago, love it, regularly do 50-60km rides a few times a week during the frost / snow free months, cycling gives me a lot of elbow gip though :-(

Resting pulse, 55-57 and healthy BP, and I'm 140kg. :naka:



Yes great advice the older guys on a bike now are everywhere and its kind to the joints except shoulders and elbows, ive got a decent road bike and spent a grand on a mountain bike for xmas. Loads of forestry roads around me and great inclines.

I know what you guys are saying about home machines but personally im not keen on them. My pet hate is people who walk on runners in gym and hold the front so they lean back changing the body angle, its just cheating yourself. Walk at the angle you can manage and get your *fupping* hands off the machine :banghead: Im going to attack someone one day

I need a shoulder replacement but turned it down when called in due to my "relatively young age" and the 7 year life of the joint. I stopped weights because of it, but recently went back to free weights and thought *fupp* the shoulder, its much better since ive attacked.

I did do a boxing day fun run 5 miles, although it killed my knees and i completed it without walking in 47 mins after training on the treadmill im about 16 1/2 stone.

Ive had a lazy month though and need to get back into it :?



Benidorm has a rubber path along the shoreline. Easy on the joints. They also have exercise stations every so often so wiu can make a morning of having a nice walk or jog stopping every few min for one of the simple machine, which seem to concentrate more on flexibility.

Things like this would be a good investment anywhere. Every park should have them as most are 'home made' by locals not expensive

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It's nowt to do with rugby, but I get arthritis in my elbows. Best cure I've found is to eat a tin of mackeral for lunch every day. May be an old wives tale, but it seems to do the trick.



Lidles do a lovely tinned mackeral.


I got kicked between the legs by a fat prop, when i was about 11 and used to wake up with a large swelling there every morning for around 40 years! strangely enough, this little problem appears to have disappeared since i reached fifty :scratch: :scratch:

I had one of those from a lovely prop up the Rhondda on a Wednesday night, trouble was it was to the side of my face and was most probably the cause of me having Bells Palsy which cost me 6 months off work and stopped me playing for almost a year

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As for the gym, the x-trainer really seems to help my knees, and you can give it a bit more than just walking on the treadmill.
If it's walking you want then really padded shoes work, hoka trainers pro longed my running, although you do look like a clown, check them out, you'll see what I mean, like trampolines

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As for the gym, the x-trainer really seems to help my knees, and you can give it a bit more than just walking on the treadmill.
If it's walking you want then really padded shoes work, hoka trainers pro longed my running, although you do look like a clown, check them out, you'll see what I mean, like trampolines




Their the only ones i use had three pairs and they make a hell of a difference.

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As for the gym, the x-trainer really seems to help my knees, and you can give it a bit more than just walking on the treadmill.
If it's walking you want then really padded shoes work, hoka trainers pro longed my running, although you do look like a clown, check them out, you'll see what I mean, like trampolines




Their the only ones i use had three pairs and they make a hell of a difference.

I agree, but let's be honest, they do look ridiculous!

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I've been told by PE teachers that swimming is the form of excersise that's "kindest" on the body.


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CymraegJanner wrote:
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As for the gym, the x-trainer really seems to help my knees, and you can give it a bit more than just walking on the treadmill.
If it's walking you want then really padded shoes work, hoka trainers pro longed my running, although you do look like a clown, check them out, you'll see what I mean, like trampolines




Their the only ones i use had three pairs and they make a hell of a difference.

I agree, but let's be honest, they do look ridiculous!



There's comes a time when looks are no sot important :D

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Blindside wrote:
CymraegJanner wrote:
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As for the gym, the x-trainer really seems to help my knees, and you can give it a bit more than just walking on the treadmill.
If it's walking you want then really padded shoes work, hoka trainers pro longed my running, although you do look like a clown, check them out, you'll see what I mean, like trampolines




Their the only ones i use had three pairs and they make a hell of a difference.

I agree, but let's be honest, they do look ridiculous!



There's comes a time when looks are no sot important :D
Not wishing to rude but was there ever a time when :thefinger: :thefinger:

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Aches and pains, where to start, Its probably better if I tells you where I don't hurt, my teeth don't hurt except when I ram them in a bit too hard, :( :D I just crack on if you let it worry you too much, pain will rule your life, I have two dogs and I walk them twice a day, about 5 miles in the morning and the same in the evening I'M 74 ;)

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Yard of Ale wrote:
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I'm 38, still playing, but I'm a wreck. Started playing at 5, played a very high standard in my late teens but total dog shit level now

I already have OA in both knees, both shoulders, and both elbows.

One knee will have to be replaced in the next ten years

It might not be relevant but for your knees and back, look at seeing a physio and ask about hip alignment, it's helped me loads, apparently its what caused the arthritis and ruined the cartilidge, if I'd known about it 10 years ago it might have saved the knee.

My shoulders and elbows are caused by calcification in the joints, and complications from a broken neck, apparently surgery is an option but nit until I stop.

I don't look forward to the future much



Jeez Mate!. I would seriously quit while you have an option to take that decision yourself. One of my regrets now is that I can't have a decent kickabout with the youngsters in my family. I so miss being able to play with my grandkids like that.

I went through intensive physio a few years ago and it worked wonders. It included a lot of work in a hydro therapy pool. I felt a million dollars and started back in the gym doing serious work. Several months later I slipped on a slimy footway and twisted my leg back under my arse. It was worse than ever. Unfortunately no bones broke and so the soft tissue in my knee and ankle took the strain. It took months to walk a few hundred meters.

Anyway, having made my initial woe is me post, I went on Youtube yesterday and found some new exercises for my knees and sacroiliac joints. Fingers crossed I will be able to tell the surgeon next month that I cured myself!

At my last appointment about my knee they said it will need replacement and there is nothing more they can do, if I keep ragging it it will need replacing sooner rather later, basically stop using it and take up swimming.

I always wanted to be able to play rugby with my son, as I haven't had him yet, that's not going to happen! So I figured I might as well use what I have until it's worn out doing what I enjoy. It did mean that I gave up running though, which is no hardship because I *fupping* hated it!

I do a plethora of exercises daily to keep my body working, especially my knees, and as much as someone who is still playing the game can, I am looking after my knee, I mean I moved from prop to scrum half for christ sake, there's not much more sacrifice I can make! To be honest it's probably better now than when I had that last appointment. Plus if I keep playing I get 20 minute sessions with the physio terrorist for a 5er twice a week!

I would dig that x trainer out though, it really really helps me not just stay fit, but it helps keep the joints moving, almost as if in using it they are lubricating themselves, and if I stop using it for a couple of weeks, my knees and shoulders start to hurt a lot more.

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