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So the expansive game for Wales talked about recently was a crock of shite and now by selecting Williams at 15 it is clear that the 6 nations was a waste of time with Halfpenny. Every man and his dog wanted Williams as 15 except for Stanley


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So the expansive game for Wales talked about recently was a crock of shite and now by selecting Williams at 15 it is clear that the 6 nations was a waste of time with Halfpenny. Every man and his dog wanted Williams as 15 except for Stanley


Maybe Gatland saw the light after all? People can change and do make mistakes, after all.


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daidimview wrote:
So the expansive game for Wales talked about recently was a crock of shite and now by selecting Williams at 15 it is clear that the 6 nations was a waste of time with Halfpenny. Every man and his dog wanted Williams as 15 except for Stanley


Maybe Gatland saw the light after all? People can change and do make mistakes, after all.

This is Gatlands greatest fault as a coach.....and it is a massive fault that I think holds us back. He simply fails to see the possibilities that some emerging players can bring. I think we would have looked a completely different team if we had Stef Evans on one wing and Liam at 15, but he fails to see that. It was similar with the development of Scott Williams , who was overlooked for years in favour of Jamie Roberts. It's now the same with James Davies.


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Post Re: So Howley/Gatland were wrong on 15?
Wales back three in the 6 Nations should have been LW at 15 with North and 1/2p on wings. 1/2p has an excellent record for Wales on the wing but at full back seems to offer no attcking threat. The Lions selection is very interesting!


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Post Re: So Howley/Gatland were wrong on 15?
It's possible that both Gatland and Howley prefer Williams as a player to Halfpenny. It's also possible that Williams (despite evidence) is also considered the better fullback.

It's just that we are lacking form wingers who are considered better than both Halfpenny and Williams. When both are on the field, it's likely that the better option is Halfpenny at fullback and Liam Williams on the wing. If Steff Evans plays a blinder and North finds his form, I think Halfpenny may be on the bench for Wales with Liam at fullback.


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Cymru am byth wrote:
It's possible that both Gatland and Howley prefer Williams as a player to Halfpenny. It's also possible that Williams (despite evidence) is also considered the better fullback.

It's just that we are lacking form wingers who are considered better than both Halfpenny and Williams. When both are on the field, it's likely that the better option is Halfpenny at fullback and Liam Williams on the wing. If Steff Evans plays a blinder and North finds his form, I think Halfpenny may be on the bench for Wales with Liam at fullback.



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Cymru am byth wrote:
It's possible that both Gatland and Howley prefer Williams as a player to Halfpenny. It's also possible that Williams (despite evidence) is also considered the better fullback.

It's just that we are lacking form wingers who are considered better than both Halfpenny and Williams. When both are on the field, it's likely that the better option is Halfpenny at fullback and Liam Williams on the wing. If Steff Evans plays a blinder and North finds his form, I think Halfpenny may be on the bench for Wales with Liam at fullback.



Exactly


Saracens, not short of talent, went after Liam, not Halfpenny

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Blindside wrote:
Cymru am byth wrote:
It's possible that both Gatland and Howley prefer Williams as a player to Halfpenny. It's also possible that Williams (despite evidence) is also considered the better fullback.

It's just that we are lacking form wingers who are considered better than both Halfpenny and Williams. When both are on the field, it's likely that the better option is Halfpenny at fullback and Liam Williams on the wing. If Steff Evans plays a blinder and North finds his form, I think Halfpenny may be on the bench for Wales with Liam at fullback.



Exactly


Saracens, not short of talent, went after Liam, not Halfpenny


1/2p wasnt available at the time?
Probably cheaper?

However I agree their choice, Saracens counter attack and are built to take opportunities as they present themselves.

Liam more versatile and better bench option.

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Post Re: So Howley/Gatland were wrong on 15?
Williams makes mistakes unfortunately... involved in one of the greatest ever BI tries today but then gifts the ABs a try by letting a ball drop through his arms - which is criminal for a top level full back.

Halfpenny is less boom and bust and makes few errors. Handily he is also the best goal kicker in the world.

I see why selectors sometimes go for halfpenny. Williams mistakes infuriate me and I don't believe he had a great game today (as widely reported) as he gifted the all blacks a try


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Post Re: So Howley/Gatland were wrong on 15?
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Williams makes mistakes unfortunately... involved in one of the greatest ever BI tries today but then gifts the ABs a try by letting a ball drop through his arms - which is criminal for a top level full back.

Halfpenny is less boom and bust and makes few errors. Handily he is also the best goal kicker in the world.

I see why selectors sometimes go for halfpenny. Williams mistakes infuriate me and I don't believe he had a great game today (as widely reported) as he gifted the all blacks a try

agree - Halfpenny is the better defensive player, although he sometimes puts his head on the wrong side when he tackles, he also has great hands, Webb's so-called great try in the 6N only executed because HP had the talent to catch the badly thrown long pass.

Maybe the coaching needs to be more sophisticated, and change their positions from time to time, LW runs great lines from the full back position, so whatever number he has on his shirt that should be exploited


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Post Re: So Howley/Gatland were wrong on 15?
L Williams is an exciting player, a very committed player and a fans favourite, on the downside he is very error prone.

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AverageBBCjournalist wrote:
Williams makes mistakes unfortunately... involved in one of the greatest ever BI tries today but then gifts the ABs a try by letting a ball drop through his arms - which is criminal for a top level full back.

Halfpenny is less boom and bust and makes few errors. Handily he is also the best goal kicker in the world.

I see why selectors sometimes go for halfpenny. Williams mistakes infuriate me and I don't believe he had a great game today (as widely reported) as he gifted the all blacks a try

agree - Halfpenny is the better defensive player, although he sometimes puts his head on the wrong side when he tackles, he also has great hands, Webb's so-called great try in the 6N only executed because HP had the talent to catch the badly thrown long pass.

Maybe the coaching needs to be more sophisticated, and change their positions from time to time, LW runs great lines from the full back position, so whatever number he has on his shirt that should be exploited


Nailed it :D but I do think he had a GOOD (if not great) game.
I would still go Williams at 15 and Helfpenny on the wing.
On the wing - Halfpenny had a fantastic strike rate and was pretty deadly.


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welshy34 wrote:
eborr wrote:
AverageBBCjournalist wrote:
Williams makes mistakes unfortunately... involved in one of the greatest ever BI tries today but then gifts the ABs a try by letting a ball drop through his arms - which is criminal for a top level full back.

Halfpenny is less boom and bust and makes few errors. Handily he is also the best goal kicker in the world.

I see why selectors sometimes go for halfpenny. Williams mistakes infuriate me and I don't believe he had a great game today (as widely reported) as he gifted the all blacks a try

agree - Halfpenny is the better defensive player, although he sometimes puts his head on the wrong side when he tackles, he also has great hands, Webb's so-called great try in the 6N only executed because HP had the talent to catch the badly thrown long pass.

Maybe the coaching needs to be more sophisticated, and change their positions from time to time, LW runs great lines from the full back position, so whatever number he has on his shirt that should be exploited


Nailed it :D but I do think he had a GOOD (if not great) game.
I would still go Williams at 15 and Helfpenny on the wing.
On the wing - Halfpenny had a fantastic strike rate and was pretty deadly.


That would be my inclination too, but how come it didn't really work last November against Japan?


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najbritcol wrote:
welshy34 wrote:
eborr wrote:
AverageBBCjournalist wrote:
Williams makes mistakes unfortunately... involved in one of the greatest ever BI tries today but then gifts the ABs a try by letting a ball drop through his arms - which is criminal for a top level full back.

Halfpenny is less boom and bust and makes few errors. Handily he is also the best goal kicker in the world.

I see why selectors sometimes go for halfpenny. Williams mistakes infuriate me and I don't believe he had a great game today (as widely reported) as he gifted the all blacks a try

agree - Halfpenny is the better defensive player, although he sometimes puts his head on the wrong side when he tackles, he also has great hands, Webb's so-called great try in the 6N only executed because HP had the talent to catch the badly thrown long pass.

Maybe the coaching needs to be more sophisticated, and change their positions from time to time, LW runs great lines from the full back position, so whatever number he has on his shirt that should be exploited


Nailed it :D but I do think he had a GOOD (if not great) game.
I would still go Williams at 15 and Helfpenny on the wing.
On the wing - Halfpenny had a fantastic strike rate and was pretty deadly.


That would be my inclination too, but how come it didn't really work last November against Japan?


I thought it worked pretty well myself.


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welshy34 wrote:
najbritcol wrote:
welshy34 wrote:
eborr wrote:
AverageBBCjournalist wrote:
Williams makes mistakes unfortunately... involved in one of the greatest ever BI tries today but then gifts the ABs a try by letting a ball drop through his arms - which is criminal for a top level full back.

Halfpenny is less boom and bust and makes few errors. Handily he is also the best goal kicker in the world.

I see why selectors sometimes go for halfpenny. Williams mistakes infuriate me and I don't believe he had a great game today (as widely reported) as he gifted the all blacks a try

agree - Halfpenny is the better defensive player, although he sometimes puts his head on the wrong side when he tackles, he also has great hands, Webb's so-called great try in the 6N only executed because HP had the talent to catch the badly thrown long pass.

Maybe the coaching needs to be more sophisticated, and change their positions from time to time, LW runs great lines from the full back position, so whatever number he has on his shirt that should be exploited


Nailed it :D but I do think he had a GOOD (if not great) game.
I would still go Williams at 15 and Helfpenny on the wing.
On the wing - Halfpenny had a fantastic strike rate and was pretty deadly.


That would be my inclination too, but how come it didn't really work last November against Japan?


I thought it worked pretty well myself.


Well obviously not enough to prevent the dreadful final result.


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