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We are planning a little bit of rebranding in the near future.
I believe the idea will be to phase out the 1404 and look at what RGC means to the wider audience, which at the moment is nothing.
'RGC' tells no one what we do, who we are or where we are from.


I'd like a change of name but to make it something that is Welsh, but can be read out on the main news on BBC. I can't think of anything off the top of my head. But ' Y Gogledd' must be up there?

I've never seen the Welsh obsession with giving things two names - Ddraig, Gleision, Sgarlets and Gweilch in addition to the English names... why not just give them a Welsh name? When it comes to brands, they should have one proper noun. On a similar note, you see new housing developments given both an English name and a Welsh translation.


I would say that RGC says exactly what you do (Rygbi), who you are and where you are from (Gogledd Cymru), but then, I'm a Welsh speaker. I think it would be a terrible shame if any new name weren't in Welsh, even if it remains an acronym.

I would like to see a different kit though - the existing one is too much like the Dragons' and is the third region of the five with black as the main colour.


I think the name should be in Welsh. But I don't see the point in having a Welsh and English name. As far as I know, many brands are internationally known by one name, which either has little meaning or loses its meaning after a while.

E.g, The Rolling Stones are known internationally by that name and (as far as I know), there isn't a French, Welsh, Italian or Japanese version of the name that means 'Stones that roll'.

Coming back to the Ospreys - the rugby's association with that particular bird of prey is tenuous at best. And other than their emblem, I doubt mentioning the Ospreys (certainly for those familiar with the team) ever makes you think of birds, so I'm not certain (firstly why they went with that name) and then why they needed a Welsh 'Gweilch'?.

'Y Ddraig' would suit me!

Anyway, apologies, I'm labouring a point...move on... back to the rugby.

If you want to know how the Ospreys got their name, have a look at the badge of Swansea RFC. You may notice there's a particular bird on it.

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Coming back to the Ospreys - the rugby's association with that particular bird of prey is tenuous at best. And other than their emblem, I doubt mentioning the Ospreys (certainly for those familiar with the team) ever makes you think of birds, so I'm not certain (firstly why they went with that name) and then why they needed a Welsh 'Gweilch'?.

'Y Ddraig' would suit me!

Anyway, apologies, I'm labouring a point...move on... back to the rugby.


There was an Osprey on the coat of arms of the old West Glamorgan:
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I don't think anyone has ever identified as a "West Glamorgan-ian", though the area is roughly coterminous with the Ospreys' original regional remit (before Brigend was added after the Warriors went bust).

They're pretty cool birds, though not particularly associated with Wales (they were even extinct here briefly) and you get them all over the world. I think even in the UK far more people would think of the word in isolation as referring to the bird rather than the team, but maybe that's just me and the circles I turn in. I think it's a good name; it's within the tradition of calling sports teams after animals but not used (to my knowledge) by any other team anywhere. It's certainly a better name than the "Celtic Warriors" (dullest name for a Welsh sport side ever) and frankly better than "Dragons", although at least that isn't also used by any other prominent team (wheras you have both the Auckland Blues and the Bedford Blues to match the Cardiff ones).

Spinbreath - are there images of how yellow and black have been used on North Wales representative kits over the years?


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There is one area in Wales currently home to a breeding pair of Ospreys, but it ain't down south. :D

Don't know about images of the old North Wales shirt. I only know as a friend has one from the late nineties.

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spinbreath wrote:
Cymru am byth wrote:
Figaro wrote:
Cymru am byth wrote:
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We are planning a little bit of rebranding in the near future.
I believe the idea will be to phase out the 1404 and look at what RGC means to the wider audience, which at the moment is nothing.
'RGC' tells no one what we do, who we are or where we are from.


I'd like a change of name but to make it something that is Welsh, but can be read out on the main news on BBC. I can't think of anything off the top of my head. But ' Y Gogledd' must be up there?

I've never seen the Welsh obsession with giving things two names - Ddraig, Gleision, Sgarlets and Gweilch in addition to the English names... why not just give them a Welsh name? When it comes to brands, they should have one proper noun. On a similar note, you see new housing developments given both an English name and a Welsh translation.


I would say that RGC says exactly what you do (Rygbi), who you are and where you are from (Gogledd Cymru), but then, I'm a Welsh speaker. I think it would be a terrible shame if any new name weren't in Welsh, even if it remains an acronym.

I would like to see a different kit though - the existing one is too much like the Dragons' and is the third region of the five with black as the main colour.


I think the name should be in Welsh. But I don't see the point in having a Welsh and English name. As far as I know, many brands are internationally known by one name, which either has little meaning or loses its meaning after a while.

E.g, The Rolling Stones are known internationally by that name and (as far as I know), there isn't a French, Welsh, Italian or Japanese version of the name that means 'Stones that roll'.

Coming back to the Ospreys - the rugby's association with that particular bird of prey is tenuous at best. And other than their emblem, I doubt mentioning the Ospreys (certainly for those familiar with the team) ever makes you think of birds, so I'm not certain (firstly why they went with that name) and then why they needed a Welsh 'Gweilch'?.

'Y Ddraig' would suit me!

Anyway, apologies, I'm labouring a point...move on... back to the rugby.

If you want to know how the Ospreys got their name, have a look at the badge of Swansea RFC. You may notice there's a particular bird on it.


Good point... also now you mention it... I recall this is unfortunately not the first time someone on here (maybe you!?) has pointed that fact out to me! :D


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I would hazard a guess that the Ospreys badge is a stylised version of the Swansea bird, done in a way to mirror the Neath Luftwaffe insignia.

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(wheras you have both the Auckland Blues and the Bedford Blues to match the Cardiff ones).

Giggidy

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Cymru am byth wrote:

Spinbreath - are there images of how yellow and black have been used on North Wales representative kits over the years?


Quick google search,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsRJ_wvRI1I


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Black and yellow has always been the colours of the North Wales team.
The name RGC means - as I would hope you all know - North Wales Rugby. It is the name of the region. RGC 1404 is the name of the senior regional representative team, 1404 referring to the year of Owain Glyndwr's (a famous Gog) rise to power.
Hope that clears up any confusion.


I hope we drop this bit. What purpose does it really serve? I may be way off base but I've always thought it's a sort of "look how Welsh we are with our Owain Glyndwr reference". Keep the Rygbi Gogledd Cymru, although I feel it would feel a little out of kilter should we ever progress to a fully fledged professional region.

Absolutely great that we've won the Challenge Cup, I really believe there is a big appetite for professional sport up north, and would be great to see a shift of focus from football to rugby.


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I like it, as long as people know it's said 'fourteen-oh-four'.
I was at Neath when the tannoy announced 'RGC one-four-zero-four', which was a bit shit. Made us sound like a dialling code. :D

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I like it, as long as people know it's said 'fourteen-oh-four'.
I was at Neath when the tannoy announced 'RGC one-four-zero-four', which was a bit shit. Made us sound like a dialling code. :D


:D I'm sure that wasn't by accident.


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It sounds like one of those adverts you used to have late night on tele.

"Dial 0891 one four o four, thats 0891 one four o four, for randy gog housewives."


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Cymru am byth wrote:
It sounds like one of those adverts you used to have late night on tele.

"Dial 0891 one four o four, thats 0891 one four o four, for randy gog housewives."

Do you know of any randy Gog housewives? Spill the beans, bro. I'm in dire need. :D

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spinbreath wrote:
Cymru am byth wrote:
It sounds like one of those adverts you used to have late night on tele.

"Dial 0891 one four o four, thats 0891 one four o four, for randy gog housewives."

Do you know of any randy Gog housewives? Spill the beans, bro. I'm in dire need. :D


Ha, sorry to get your hopes up.


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Figaro wrote:
Cymru am byth wrote:
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We are planning a little bit of rebranding in the near future.
I believe the idea will be to phase out the 1404 and look at what RGC means to the wider audience, which at the moment is nothing.
'RGC' tells no one what we do, who we are or where we are from.


I'd like a change of name but to make it something that is Welsh, but can be read out on the main news on BBC. I can't think of anything off the top of my head. But ' Y Gogledd' must be up there?

I've never seen the Welsh obsession with giving things two names - Ddraig, Gleision, Sgarlets and Gweilch in addition to the English names... why not just give them a Welsh name? When it comes to brands, they should have one proper noun. On a similar note, you see new housing developments given both an English name and a Welsh translation.


I would say that RGC says exactly what you do (Rygbi), who you are and where you are from (Gogledd Cymru), but then, I'm a Welsh speaker. I think it would be a terrible shame if any new name weren't in Welsh, even if it remains an acronym.

I would like to see a different kit though - the existing one is too much like the Dragons' and is the third region of the five with black as the main colour.


Yep, RGC is fine and ticks the boxes for me. Even got a "USA" style chant going on Sunday.


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Don't some people nickname them the numberplates?


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