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The Great Pillage of RGC 
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Fly Half Jacob Bottica and centre Thian Loots are off to the Dragons.
Scrum half Alex Schwartz has just been snapped up by Exeter.

Will we still have a first team next year to play in the increasingly devalued premiership? Watch this space.

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Nothing new, it happens at virtually every club you have to suck it up and look for a replacment

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Surely it is doing its job if it is providing to the professional regions?


Fri May 04, 2018 3:25 pm
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Wish them well and move on , you are doing good for your players , take it as a compliment .
At least they are nit being ruined by the blues.

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spinbreath wrote:
Fly Half Jacob Bottica and centre Thian Loots are off to the Dragons.
Scrum half Alex Schwartz has just been snapped up by Exeter.

Will we still have a first team next year to play in the increasingly devalued premiership? Watch this space.


You must want to restrict your players, byti.

Pontypool guys have gone that way and the whole mess that they've created in their arm wrestle with the WRU could be damaging our national side.


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A couple of signings to ease the pain.......Billy McBryde and Joel Ringer

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Fly Half Jacob Bottica and centre Thian Loots are off to the Dragons.
Scrum half Alex Schwartz has just been snapped up by Exeter.

Will we still have a first team next year to play in the increasingly devalued premiership? Watch this space.


Are those players born and bred in rural gog land you mean?

It's great to see it happening - a plastic side that only exists because the WRU bank rolled and gave extra concessions who develop nothing at all is losing all the imports to other sides. It shouldn't have been allowed to unfairly stockpile in the first place.

RGC being parachuted into the premier then given access to coaching and funding that no other club had made a mockery of and devalued the premiership. This at least is a slight re-balancing although i do agree the WRU are going out of their way to render all rugby below professional a meaningless farce.

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A couple of years back Joel Ringer was being touted as a massive loss for Welsh rugby, when he moved to the Toulon academy. Evidently not, if he's now signing for a premiership side.


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String wrote:
spinbreath wrote:
Fly Half Jacob Bottica and centre Thian Loots are off to the Dragons.
Scrum half Alex Schwartz has just been snapped up by Exeter.

Will we still have a first team next year to play in the increasingly devalued premiership? Watch this space.


Are those players born and bred in rural gog land you mean?

It's great to see it happening - a plastic side that only exists because the WRU bank rolled and gave extra concessions who develop nothing at all is losing all the imports to other sides. It shouldn't have been allowed to unfairly stockpile in the first place.

RGC being parachuted into the premier then given access to coaching and funding that no other club had made a mockery of and devalued the premiership. This at least is a slight re-balancing although i do agree the WRU are going out of their way to render all rugby below professional a meaningless farce.

For your information they weren't "parachuted into the premier" they got promoted the same time as Merthyr and Bargoed

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String wrote:
spinbreath wrote:
Fly Half Jacob Bottica and centre Thian Loots are off to the Dragons.
Scrum half Alex Schwartz has just been snapped up by Exeter.

Will we still have a first team next year to play in the increasingly devalued premiership? Watch this space.


Are those players born and bred in rural gog land you mean?

It's great to see it happening - a plastic side that only exists because the WRU bank rolled and gave extra concessions who develop nothing at all is losing all the imports to other sides. It shouldn't have been allowed to unfairly stockpile in the first place.

RGC being parachuted into the premier then given access to coaching and funding that no other club had made a mockery of and devalued the premiership. This at least is a slight re-balancing although i do agree the WRU are going out of their way to render all rugby below professional a meaningless farce.


But if the system created by the WRU involvement is producing more players that are then being picked up by the Regions then surely it is job done?

The whole argument, for years, has been that the Premiership is not producing players. Evidentally RGC are doing something right.

Free market econonics is all very well and good but North Wales were never going to produce their own team of this quality without a bit of help. Plus I fail to see why Peter (Stan?) Thomas' Merthyr team is much different than RGC in this regards.


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For your information they weren't "parachuted into the premier" they got promoted the same time as Merthyr and Bargoed


They were parachuted into the leagure structure without having to qualify or get promoted then given massive funding (not available to other clubs), funding and specialised coaching facilities and systems (not available to any other clubs), help and funding to bring in players (not available to any other clubs), had mandatory friendlies organised for them (forced on other clubs who had better things to do). That pretty much amounts to the WRU lovechild being put in the league.

If they didnt have the union favouritism regarding funding, coaching, players and being put in a league and had to get there on their own merits they'd still be languishing in the lower leagues where they actually belong.

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String wrote:
Big And Dull wrote:

For your information they weren't "parachuted into the premier" they got promoted the same time as Merthyr and Bargoed


They were parachuted into the leagure structure without having to qualify or get promoted then given massive funding (not available to other clubs), funding and specialised coaching facilities and systems (not available to any other clubs), help and funding to bring in players (not available to any other clubs), had mandatory friendlies organised for them (forced on other clubs who had better things to do). That pretty much amounts to the WRU lovechild being put in the league.

If they didnt have the union favouritism regarding funding, coaching, players and being put in a league and had to get there on their own merits they'd still be languishing in the lower leagues where they actually belong.

As someone who watches a team directly affected by RGC I really have no problem with them and I'm sure Welsh Rugby will, in the long run, benefit greatly from players coming through the system and think the petty sniping I hear on social media against RGC is shortsighted and not really understanding of the difficulty and the amount of travelling and commitment the RGC players coaches and officials have to do.

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String wrote:
Big And Dull wrote:

For your information they weren't "parachuted into the premier" they got promoted the same time as Merthyr and Bargoed


They were parachuted into the leagure structure without having to qualify or get promoted then given massive funding (not available to other clubs), funding and specialised coaching facilities and systems (not available to any other clubs), help and funding to bring in players (not available to any other clubs), had mandatory friendlies organised for them (forced on other clubs who had better things to do). That pretty much amounts to the WRU lovechild being put in the league.

If they didnt have the union favouritism regarding funding, coaching, players and being put in a league and had to get there on their own merits they'd still be languishing in the lower leagues where they actually belong.


But the benefits of spreading the above resources across numerous teams is unlikely to yield the same number of benefits

A team only 'belongs' in a particular league in professional sport according to whatever investment is put in it. Stan Thomas' investment in Merthyr is unlikely to be as Welsh rugby focussed as RGC.

The WRU has a duty to provide rugby across all levels and ages. Primarily their money comes from the international game - essentially this is/should be their focus. The WRU make up (to some extent) the rules and therefore should make provisions to suit the game best. The result of say trying to create an RGC equivilent anywhere else in Wales simply wouldn't work. North Wales relative to anywhere else was massively under represented. No one else would have the long term ability to create this sort of scheme and no one else would be able to do it to align with an overall strategy to benefit Welsh rugby.

The move to incorporate North Wales rugby in the Premiership was, in my opinion one of the wisest.moves the WRU made in recent years.


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String wrote:

It's great to see it happening - a plastic side that only exists because the WRU bank rolled and gave extra concessions who develop nothing at all is losing all the imports to other sides. It shouldn't have been allowed to unfairly stockpile in the first place.

RGC being parachuted into the premier then given access to coaching and funding that no other club had made a mockery of and devalued the premiership. This at least is a slight re-balancing although i do agree the WRU are going out of their way to render all rugby below professional a meaningless farce.

Lots of funding has been paid into your region, but the fact is you don't like the Dragons, so you refuse to recognise it.
I have two options available to me. As a rugby fan, I could show solidarity with you, and say it's unfair that Ebbw got banished to the lower leagues while Newport got given everything they wanted.
Or, I could take your narrow minded approach and say 'Forget Ebbw, go support the Dragons and stop whining'.

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Cymru am byth wrote:
String wrote:
Big And Dull wrote:

For your information they weren't "parachuted into the premier" they got promoted the same time as Merthyr and Bargoed


They were parachuted into the leagure structure without having to qualify or get promoted then given massive funding (not available to other clubs), funding and specialised coaching facilities and systems (not available to any other clubs), help and funding to bring in players (not available to any other clubs), had mandatory friendlies organised for them (forced on other clubs who had better things to do). That pretty much amounts to the WRU lovechild being put in the league.

If they didnt have the union favouritism regarding funding, coaching, players and being put in a league and had to get there on their own merits they'd still be languishing in the lower leagues where they actually belong.


But the benefits of spreading the above resources across numerous teams is unlikely to yield the same number of benefits

A team only 'belongs' in a particular league in professional sport according to whatever investment is put in it. Stan Thomas' investment in Merthyr is unlikely to be as Welsh rugby focussed as RGC.

The WRU has a duty to provide rugby across all levels and ages. Primarily their money comes from the international game - essentially this is/should be their focus. The WRU make up (to some extent) the rules and therefore should make provisions to suit the game best. The result of say trying to create an RGC equivilent anywhere else in Wales simply wouldn't work. North Wales relative to anywhere else was massively under represented. No one else would have the long term ability to create this sort of scheme and no one else would be able to do it to align with an overall strategy to benefit Welsh rugby.

The move to incorporate North Wales rugby in the Premiership was, in my opinion one of the wisest.moves the WRU made in recent years.


Spot on. Roger Lewis did some really good work whilst in charge at the WRU (not an opinion shared by everyone I'll admit :D ) but developing RGC and then facilitating their promotion into the Premiership was one of his best initiatives and, long term, will do a-lot for the overall development of the game in Wales.

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